Jameis Winston 1 yr deal

blackangold · 04-27-2020, 12:07 PM

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

AsylumGuido · 04-27-2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

Utah_Saint · 04-27-2020, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time.

iceshack149 · 04-27-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time.

But will never beat the all time off-season champs Dallas Cowboys.

rezburna · 04-27-2020, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year.

blackangold · 04-27-2020, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year.

Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

saintsfan1976 · 04-27-2020, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

Also
3rd in the league in points scored on offense
11th in sacks (47!) three more and they're top 5
17th interceptions
8th in fumbles lost

So, now we've got a bunch of statistics to help tell whatever version of the truth we want...

rezburna · 04-28-2020, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back.

24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think?

SmashMouth · 04-29-2020, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back.

24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think?

Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU.

rezburna · 04-29-2020, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU.

They do have a lot of LSU linebackers. Only one starts though. I think. Don’t quote me.

04-27-2020, 12:07 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,572	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there... They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out. Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time. SmashMouth likes this.

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iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,368 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time. But will never beat the all time off-season champs Dallas Cowboys.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there... The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year. saintsfan1976 and AsylumGuido like this.

04-27-2020, 08:20 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by rezburna The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year. Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position. Also 3rd in the league in points scored on offense 11th in sacks (47!) three more and they're top 5 17th interceptions 8th in fumbles lost So, now we've got a bunch of statistics to help tell whatever version of the truth we want... Halo likes this.

04-28-2020, 10:27 AM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position. And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back. 24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think?

04-29-2020, 07:29 AM	#9
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by rezburna And they were the 30th ranked pass defense. Quick...name a TB defensive back. 24th ranked rushing defense too. 23rd ranked offensive line I think? Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU.

04-29-2020, 10:53 AM	#10
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by SmashMouth Can we name their LBs? Yes, mostly from LSU. They do have a lot of LSU linebackers. Only one starts though. I think. Don’t quote me.