Jameis Winston 1 yr deal

vpheughan · 04-27-2020, 08:09 AM

I trust Payton

I STILL TRUST IN .................SPAGS!!!!!!

hitta · 06-22-2020, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

I trust Payton

I STILL TRUST IN .................SPAGS!!!!!!

I think Spagnuolo is a good defensive coordinator. His philosophy is very personnel dependent. We didn't have the personnel for his philosophy. I believe if we would have given him more time, he would have fixed the defense. Now I'm happy with where we are now, Allen is sufficient. Still, it annoys me when Saints fans mock Spagnuolo. His issue is he's not very good at adapting with what he has, but when he has what he needs he can make very good defenses. I think if Payton was never suspended, Spags would have never been fired. I think Payton just wanted to clean house and have a fresh start.

K Major · 06-22-2020, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Spagnuolo is a good defensive coordinator. His philosophy is very personnel dependent.

And changed from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 installment. Chiefs went from the 31st to 8th best passing defense in 1 season under Spaggs.

Adding Tyrann Mathieu, Frank Clark, Jones and Ogbah didn't hurt either.

Credit Andy Reid for giving him the tools to work with. The result = Championship.

rezburna · 06-22-2020, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

And changed from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 installment. Chiefs went from the 31st to 8th best passing defense in 1 season under Spaggs.

Adding Tyrann Mathieu, Frank Clark, Jones and Ogbah didn't hurt either.

Credit Andy Reid for giving him the tools to work with. The result = Championship.

The Tyrann Mathieu we refused to even make an offer to.

blackangold · 04-27-2020, 12:07 PM

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

AsylumGuido · 04-27-2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

Utah_Saint · 04-27-2020, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time.

iceshack149 · 04-27-2020, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time.

But will never beat the all time off-season champs Dallas Cowboys.

rezburna · 04-27-2020, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year.

blackangold · 04-27-2020, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year.

Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.

04-27-2020, 08:09 AM	#1
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,553	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal I trust Payton I STILL TRUST IN .................SPAGS!!!!!!
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,553

06-22-2020, 12:36 AM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by vpheughan I trust Payton I STILL TRUST IN .................SPAGS!!!!!! I think Spagnuolo is a good defensive coordinator. His philosophy is very personnel dependent. We didn't have the personnel for his philosophy. I believe if we would have given him more time, he would have fixed the defense. Now I'm happy with where we are now, Allen is sufficient. Still, it annoys me when Saints fans mock Spagnuolo. His issue is he's not very good at adapting with what he has, but when he has what he needs he can make very good defenses. I think if Payton was never suspended, Spags would have never been fired. I think Payton just wanted to clean house and have a fresh start.
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,340

06-22-2020, 08:37 AM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by hitta I think Spagnuolo is a good defensive coordinator. His philosophy is very personnel dependent. And changed from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 installment. Chiefs went from the 31st to 8th best passing defense in 1 season under Spaggs. Adding Tyrann Mathieu, Frank Clark, Jones and Ogbah didn't hurt either. Credit Andy Reid for giving him the tools to work with. The result = Championship. jnormand likes this.

06-22-2020, 12:26 PM	#4
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by K Major And changed from a 3-4 scheme to a 4-3 installment. Chiefs went from the 31st to 8th best passing defense in 1 season under Spaggs. Adding Tyrann Mathieu, Frank Clark, Jones and Ogbah didn't hurt either. Credit Andy Reid for giving him the tools to work with. The result = Championship. The Tyrann Mathieu we refused to even make an offer to.

04-27-2020, 12:07 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there...

04-27-2020, 02:25 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,674	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there... They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out.

04-27-2020, 02:35 PM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They're "Super Bowl contenders" every year according to the media and then they stink it up year in year out. Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time. SmashMouth likes this.

04-27-2020, 03:10 PM	#8
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Yeah, the Bucs are one of the greatest April NFL teams of all time. But will never beat the all time off-season champs Dallas Cowboys.

04-27-2020, 04:42 PM	#9
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by blackangold Not to take away from throwing for 5000 yards, but you I would argue he had the best group of WRs and TEs to toss it to. Tampa wasn’t a serious threat because of Winston, they had talent all over the field and are now considered SB contenders without Winston there... The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year. saintsfan1976 and AsylumGuido like this.

04-27-2020, 08:20 PM	#10
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jameis Winston 1 yr deal Originally Posted by rezburna The 29th ranked defense could be a reason for them not contending last year. Their defense was 15th in total yards and 1st against the run, but sure you can have a dishonest premise using points against. Of course you should then understand that Winston is largely responsible for those points against throwing TDs for the other team and giving the opposing team great starting position.