Gotta agree with you Oldies. Brooks needs to work on his pocket presence. He needs to start stepping up INTO the pocket. That's why it's called a pocket...because the tackles can actually push the D lineman around to the side of the pocket.....creating an actual "pocket".

That said, I still think AB should be our starter this year. If he fails, then put someone in that can do the job.

Won't see the game replay until this afternoon.


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I would quote DJ's entire post and agree with almost all of it. I think the run blocking was a bit below average. I thought the pass-blocking was also a bit below average. The assessment of Brooks and Bouman is DEAD ON. I'll add a few things, from what I saw.

Brooks is LESS comfortable than I've ever seen him. He gave up on plays, regardless of the pressure, far sooner than he had to. He locked onto Horn and if he was covered (usually doubled) then Brooks would give up. He also does EXACTLY what DJ talked about with the "eight-step" drops. He drops back so frapping far that linemen who are taught to build a pocket wind up blocking their man RIGHT AT BROOKS. You can see how shocked the linemen are when they realize what's happened. It's been too many friggin years for Brooks to be still doing this. I don't care if Scruffy Smith comes in to QB for us and we lose every game this year. Brooks' time is over.

Bouman is a HACK. I could write pages about the stupidity of his decisions. I could go on and on about his poor pocket presence. Bouman=loser.

Finally, let me say that Deuce fumbled the ball. He fumbled. He put the ball on the ground. That ought to make all those people who try to deflect from Brooks' crappy performance by drawing attention to a mistake someone else made. The difference, in my opinion, is that I saw Deuce's fumble. The fact that he was stood up by three defenders while a DE who outweighs him by 50 pounds ripped and tore at the ball for a good two seconds to get it out of his hands tells me all I need to know about that play. Anyone who wants to use the Deuce fumble to justify the Brooks sideshow, feel free.

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That's the phrase my brother and I were using at the game: "It's all Brooks fault."

SFIAH

Oh i see....so the retort to people criticizing AB would be for his worshippers to totally absolve him from his performance. OK....carry on....

How he "looked" whether you saw it in person or watched in on rebroadcast is irrelavent. Results are all that matter. 3/7 for 15 yards is what it is.....not good. I'm not saying yank him, but i don't see why anyone is trying to make it seem like he had an ok outing.

It seems like he is still struggling with anything that isn't a slant, hook or curl route. And he doesn't seem confident in the pocket. Honestly what i expected to see was an improved AB. This seems like the same guy who hasn't learned a thing. Can we win with this guy....yes if everything goes right. But things in the NFL rarely do.

I think people are just saying he seems like the same ol AB....and we know the things THAT guy has done in the past. Who wants to hang around for that?

I always try to look at Brooks objectively. And I usually don't get into the "pissing contests" over him. I would like to politely point out there are no stats (results, if you will) for dropped balls. And I did see a few. How he looks is relevant, to me anyway. Thanks.

Hopefully Brooks will do well this year.

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Well on that same token would u concede that any incompletion that doesn't end in a dropped pass is AB's fault? That's what you'll get if you start dissecting all of a QB's incompletions. Im not about all of that nitpicking. As far as starters go, i'm really not a benefit-of-the-doubt kind of guy. I just want the guy to get it done, not give excuses why he fell short. The offense looked shaky, and he's supposed to be the leader of the offense, simple as that. He's ultimately going to be held responsible no matter what the outcome, so he needs to put in the extra work to improve his game.

No. You've probably been familiar with football long enough to know there are any number of variables - Poor routes, throwing the ball away, etc, etc. I think Brooks played a good game. I was responding above to your reliance on the statistical game, and only stats/results, on whether a qb had a good game. I also think Bouman had a decent game, overall.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Have a good evening, sir.

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See that's just it.....who ever said AB was fine???? Not ESPN. Not the re-broadcast team. I heard Hebert say that he wasn't the reason for the O's ineffectiveness, but how does that translate into fine??? It was a cumulative effort by the offense. But since AB is the leader, as most QBs are, he'll bear more of the responsibilty than any other one person. That's just the nature off the beast.

You missed the point.

So many fans are so disgusted with Brooks at this point, that no matter what happens on the field, they blame him.

It so over the the top at this point that they are beyond blaming Brooks for what he does/does not do. They blame him for everything that goes wrong on the offensive side of the ball.
Will do. The patrons in our section found it amusing.

SFIAH

Ya'll stupid...hahahahahaha....
I agree ATL....

mmmmm hmmmmm....so who was it that made a post about Mike Detillier's analysis of the game simply to point out that the didn't say anything about AB being at fault for the offense's difficuties? Right. As much as u bash others for ragging on the guy, you totally defend him at all costs. Sounds like the same thing to me. It's cool bruh...

SFIAH....even the most adamant critics of Brooks haven't said that he's at fault for everything that's wrong with the O. That's just not true.

Making sense...just doesn't make sense......
B on B........Are we related????
These people HATE Brooks......period.
I'm not a Brooks fan waiver but I support who we have at the helm......PERIOD!
keep it real bruh....

Come now, dogging AB is never a waste of a thread. :)

huh....i guess i must be drunk...because my vision is failing me I think...lol

OK so individuals criticizing AB for his well known NFL blunders that may cost us momentum in critical games....that turns into people blaming AB for everything that's wrong with the offense???? Ok dude....whatever. I've been on the board quite a while, and i can honestly say that i've never seen anyone say what u claim they do. I also see that you've only been on the board for a few weeks, yet you claim to know everything about the guys on this board???? Whatever guy...

Also on other teams the QB is absolutely the leader of the team. See Green Bay, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Indianapolis and now the Giants. Do you think for a second that their respective QBs don't run those organzations??? Not literally speaking, but come on. These teams will do whatever it takes to satisfy their QBs because these guys are proven, talented leaders. McNabb wanted the Eagles to get T.O.(idiots). Well lo and behold, they got T.O. And that is what the Saints want from AB. How many times have you heard throughout the years that they want him to be the leader of this offense? He has the implicit approval to the be leader of this team, and so far we haven't seen him shine like he should.

And dude I don't hate Brooks. I don't hate people. Believe or not the only jersey that I own is a gold #2 jersey with Brooks on the back....that's the ony one they sold up here. I catch hell for wearing it, but hey i'm a fan.

Everyone is a fan on here. The ones that are hardest on Brooks....we want him to succeed more than anything. We support Brooks too to the extent that we hope he leads the team to victory. But that doesn't mean he is immune from a little critcism, or a lot if we so choose. A lot of us just aren't satisfied with mediocrity.

Exactly! Thank you. I would greatly prefer Brooks to fulfill his alleged potential and get us some wins than for him to break his leg so we can be rid of him from the start. Well, moderately prefer. But anyway, just gimmie the wins.

Sounds to me like some people need to chill out. Everyone has an opinion and they all generally stink, kinda like ________.

I agree GT. I'm am not in the Brooks Fan Club, but I do support the guy. I sincerly hope Brooks can be what he should be this season. A consistent leader on the field. He has the tools and the athleticism to be so much better than he has shown. I don't think Brooks should take blame or be blamed for all of the problems of the offense. I do however, believe that Brooks should learn to take some blame for the problems on the offense that HE creates. I believe Brooks is the Saints' best shot at a winning season this year. I'm not a huge fan of the guy, but I know that he can help lead this team if he chooses to do so.

BOB, I really believe that a lot of fans are just sick of all the B.S. They are sick of him underachieving (even if the entire team is doing so as well). They are sick of the bloopers and low light reels that they see during the game or on T.V. following the game. Most of all, fans are sick and tired of seeing a quarterback that has so much potential, fall short of what his true athletic abilites are. They are tired of him being an "underachiever", even though the entire team is labled the same. Problem is, Brooks never believes he is an underachiever. He believes he is much better than what he has shown. People just get tired of that. The team is labled as underachievers, but I've never heard any of them blame someone else or laugh their mistakes off like AB does.

The guy has talent and I think he will do fine this year. I hope he exceeds everyones expectations and leads this team to several victories. Only AB can control what he does when he steps on the field. The TEAM and the FANS will follow, if AB will just lead.

Well, I guess I should give most of the credit to the great camera crew who filmed the game that night. Also, the guy(s) running the board did a superb job switching from angle to angle. With all of the high-tec equipment they have now, visually watching the game has been a much easier task than it has been in the past. The first down line is a token of that advancement. I've also talked to many people (who I've purchased season tickets with) that made it to the game and we all mentioned this same play of discussion. Everyone of them had a view of the entire field and said the same thing I did about the play.

As far as other people go, I don't really know what they could have been watching. I, personally, do not need an analyst telling me what is happening on a particular play. I understand just fine. Though, it can be might convenient when you have to walk to the fridge. Most of the other writer guys do the same thing you do. They look at statistics and make judgements from there.

I still say its Deuce's fault for everything... wasn't his fault he fumbled and gave them good feild position to get the TD?

I have no idea how DJ said that our o line did a good job of pass blocking and that it was better then our run blocking. are you kidding me. also DJ you had made some smart arse remark about what i could tell from stats and how if i didn't watch the game and on and on. well bro i said that because i live in va and don't get the game until the replay on nfl network. so instead of acting like i had seen the game i said from the stats this is what i thought. meaning if you read through the lines that i could be 100% wrong.

now that i have seen the game well at least i qatched the first quarter and a half i thought our d played pretty well. i thouhgt our pass blocking left some to be desired. our run blocking looked ok. deuce had some nice holes. i think karney is an animal. brooks didn't look terrible and he didn't look real good either. he had a real nice throw to dante that called back. stecker can not run for us. nice third down back but not a run threat. smith is a better number two. was most impressed with our starting d. they actually looked good.

First off, I am NOT the only person saying these things.

How can you claim our run blocking did good? Are you kidding me?

I don't have to know exactly what play was called to know if the offensive line is blocking in correct pocket protection or not. Those of you who don't understand obviously know nothing about offensive lineman blocking assignments.

Some of you guys are making false claims. Come on now, I do not have to be on field calling the plays to understand what is going on on the football field. If that was the case, no one would understand anything about football except for the ones playing the game at the moment.

I back up my arguments with facts of what happened on field and all you guys can tell me is that I don't know what I'm talking about because I am not on the field. Please!