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ChrisXVI

05-08-2020 03:42 PM

Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Well there it is. No takers in a trade apparently. This frees up $7.75 million.

SmashMouth

05-08-2020 03:47 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

What's the consequences of the cap hit, pre and post June 1st?

ChrisXVI

05-08-2020 03:56 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 888425)

What's the consequences of the cap hit, pre and post June 1st?

No difference. $5.125 mil in dead cap and it creates $7.75 mil in cap space if he’s cut now or post-June 1st.

RaginCajun83

05-08-2020 04:00 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Ends any speculations to where McCoy and Ruiz will play

rezburna

05-08-2020 04:25 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

I don’t understand choosing Peat over Warford. This is odd.

blackangold

05-08-2020 04:26 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888434)

I don’t understand choosing Peat over Warford. This is odd.

Only reason being youth and versatility

jeanpierre

05-08-2020 04:30 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888434)

I don’t understand choosing Peat over Warford. This is odd.

Warford was healthy and still sucked balls; got by while Ramczyk and McCoy carried the load; Peat probably earned some cred playing hurt like he had...

...And no, not saying I'd be happy with standing pat with Peat either - who'd better show up at camp and take Sean Payton to heart "in the best shape of your lives..."

RefsRobbedUs

05-08-2020 04:35 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

We probably will be in the same boat with Peat in a few years

halloween 65

05-08-2020 04:38 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Reading on some of the undrafted FA linemen (G) one is supposed to be pretty good. Could be the one who steps up? We brought in quite a few after the draft.

ChrisXVI

05-08-2020 04:39 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888434)

I don’t understand choosing Peat over Warford. This is odd.

Sums it up...

K Major

05-08-2020 04:42 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Saints couldn't even get a damn 7th for Warford?

7.7M in cap relief ? ... how about going after Everson Griffen perhaps? Saints need another pass rusher. A dawg.

RaginCajun83

05-08-2020 04:44 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888442)

Saints couldn't even get a damn 7th for Warford?

7.7M in cap relief ? ... how about going after Everson Griffen perhaps? Saints need another pass rusher. A dawg.

I like that idea

blackangold

05-08-2020 04:51 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888436)

Guy made the pro bowl and rated better than Peat by every site that maintains rating stats. Yet we pay Peat a boat load for being below average...

I don’t mind the Warford move, just don’t get the deal with peat.

RefsRobbedUs

05-08-2020 05:17 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Did we need this space to sign rookies? If not we may be going after someone

neugey

05-08-2020 05:29 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Easton is probably the winner in this transaction. Pretty likely he'll be the 6th man on the OLine and will come in the game on tackle eligible plays where Payton is in the mood to see someone get pancaked!

rezburna

05-08-2020 05:42 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888436)

Warford graded out decent though. Definitely overrated, but consistent average. I think it was personal.

Utah_Saint

05-08-2020 05:43 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 888435)

Only reason being youth and versatility

And maybe attitude.

lee909

05-08-2020 05:45 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888434)

I don’t understand choosing Peat over Warford. This is odd.

3 years younger and can slide out to tackle in a emergency.

Peats get out is in 3 years. It's not as bad as people thinking imho. Overpaid. Probably but after 3 years it's a 9ml saving and 5ml Dead money hit if he doesn't step up.

jeanpierre

05-08-2020 05:45 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 888437)

We probably will be in the same boat with Peat in a few years

Nope, Peat will be gone next year, especially if we find a good swing tackle (Peat's Plus value) among the new kids...

lee909

05-08-2020 05:48 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888450)

Warford graded out decent though. Definitely overrated, but consistent average. I think it was personal.

Turned up heavy last year didn't he. I think the opinion is he is on the slide and not as invested. The cap money was needed too.

Also the Brees fumble that lost the game was partly on him. Ramczyk gets beat but has nowhere to go with Warford being mauled backwards. Think that play was when it was decided. Think they just held on to make sure they got a player in the draft hence the bonus payment

voodooido

05-08-2020 05:51 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 888450)

Warford graded out decent though. Definitely overrated, but consistent average. I think it was personal.

Well when you can save 7.75 million and have no drop off in production you tend to lean toward that.

lee909

05-08-2020 05:53 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888453)

Nope, Peat will be gone next year, especially if we find a good swing tackle (Peat's Plus value) among the new kids...

The dead cap is 19ml next season. He's not going anywhere for at least 2(nearly 8ml season after) probably 3 years.

halloween 65

05-08-2020 06:00 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 888457)

The dead cap is 19ml next season. He's not going anywhere for at least 2(nearly 8ml season after) probably 3 years.

Not saying your wrong but if he gets beat like a drum in a marching band this season it might be worth it to take a hit.

lee909

05-08-2020 06:04 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 888460)

Not saying your wrong but if he gets beat like a drum in a marching band this season it might be worth it to take a hit.

Might lose his starting job but cut or traded is very unlikely. Costs more to cut than keep and money will be tight as Drew has money due next year even if he retires and there's a few players needing paid

K Major

05-08-2020 06:17 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Olgletree, Golden, Matthews, Logan Ryan, Prince Amukamura etc ...

I wouldn't discount Eli Apple either.

Saints will bring in someone with that money.

ChrisXVI

05-08-2020 06:20 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Eli Apple would be about as good of a back-up CB as you can get and we have no depth at boundary CB.

ChrisXVI

05-08-2020 06:25 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

He won’t be on the market long...

spkb25

05-08-2020 07:17 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

What sucks is we are forced to ride rankins for one more season for near 8 million

gulfgambler

05-08-2020 07:42 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 888435)

Only reason being youth and versatility

That's 2 reasons

halloween 65

05-08-2020 07:50 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 888467)

What sucks is we are forced to ride rankins for one more season for near 8 million

That's one position I worry about the most.

blackangold

05-08-2020 07:59 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by gulfgambler (Post 888469)

That's 2 reasons

Dang... thought no one would notice... but I see you, in the corner being slick. Got my eyes on you kid.

RefsRobbedUs

05-08-2020 09:16 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 888462)

Olgletree, Golden, Matthews, Logan Ryan, Prince Amukamura etc ...

I wouldn't discount Eli Apple either.

Saints will bring in someone with that money.

Ryan would be my pick let him pick Brady off some more

jeanpierre

05-08-2020 09:24 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

For those who play the "JP, Warford made the ProBowl" Card, just remember, Ramczyk didn't...

Further, Warford sat between Unger and Ramczyk (who had an unheralded rookie lineman season for the ages); and then between McCoy and Ramczyk (who was even better)...

And if you're not familiar with Peat's contract, it'll be next year when we can afford to take the hit...

And Warford doesn't play Left Tackle in a pinch as Peat has often had to do with Mr. Glass' history...

We also need cap money - NOW. We've got to extend Kamara, and then there's the contracts of Ramczyk and Lattimore...

Oh, you've also got Mr. Marcus, Anzalone, and Hendrickson that'll need to be addressed...

And still further, Rankins will also be walking without a contract after this year...

This, by far was the easiest lineman to cut now to stage, spread out the painful cuts so the team can retain its younger impact free agents...

And Last Year, while Warford still had value, was the time to move, trade him; we'd had more draft picks and even more cap space...

lee909

05-08-2020 10:28 PM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 888479)

And if you're not familiar with Peat's contract, it'll be next year when we can afford to take the hit...

What am I missing?
Its $19ml dead money

jeanpierre

05-09-2020 07:28 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 888457)

The dead cap is 19ml next season. He's not going anywhere for at least 2(nearly 8ml season after) probably 3 years.

Lee, you're right, info I read when contract announced was wrong, so I was wrong as well; but in 2022 season, he could be released in cap savings, so it's this year and next only...

However, contract can be reworked this season as Warford's was -Peat gets more guaranteed money, Saints gain cap flexibility spreading it out as signing and roster bonuses...

One other thing that's getting overlooked about Peat is that he plays two positions, often being called upon to play LT with little to no practice, preparation...

Cruize

05-09-2020 07:29 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Depth is a concern again. Armstead and Peat are always nicked. The law of averages will land on the other three sooner or later.

jeanpierre

05-09-2020 07:30 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 888501)

Depth is a concern again. Armstead and Peat are always nicked. The law of averages will land on the other three sooner or later.

Peat's injury history is recent, mostly to the last two years, and he did play injured, in a playoff game, with pins in his hand, one week post-op; Mr. Glass is a whole 'nother case...

SmashMouth

05-09-2020 07:57 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Ryan Pace on Line 1, says Larry Warford.

saintsfan1976

05-09-2020 09:05 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

Telling that after free agency and the draft there were no takers for a "Pro Bowl Guard"....

Peat will play better this year. I predict a min 76 grade from PFF.

If we want to resign guys like Ram, AK41 and Lattimore, we had to lose Warford and his contract.

jeanpierre

05-09-2020 09:25 AM

Re: Saints Cut G Larry Warford

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 888516)

Telling that after free agency and the draft there were no takers for a "Pro Bowl Guard"....

Peat will play better this year. I predict a min 76 grade from PFF.

If we want to resign guys like Ram, AK41 and Lattimore, we had to lose Warford and his contract.

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