Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments

SmashMouth · 06-04-2020, 08:14 AM

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rezburna · 06-04-2020, 08:38 AM

When you say people should protest gun violence Chicago, and evidence is shown that people already do, but you dismiss that evidence with ease it says to me your concern was disingenuous from the start. Bringing it up was merely a tactic to dismiss any and all complaints from the community. It’s moving the goal posts.

I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can.

I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response.

As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life.

No comment would have sufficed.

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 08:56 AM

He apologized. They already announced the team meeting. It’ll get passionate. People will cry and hug it out. It’ll be a learning experience and bonding moment on some “We Are the Titans” ****. Then they’ll go win the Super Bowl and the narrative will be how they overcame ideological differences to become champions of the world. Movies like that write themselves.

Budsdrinker · 06-04-2020, 09:27 AM

If anyone truly believes Drew is racist, they are ignorant. No where in his interview did he say he had a problem with protesting racial injustice. He said he had a problem with disrespecting the flag and National Anthem. If people can't understand what he says, maybe they are the problem. You will never bring unity in this country if you continue to protest during the National Anthem. You will only create more division. Too many people view it as disrespectful to the soldiers who lost their lives defending this country. Protest before coin toss, before opening kick off, hell kneel down the entire half time on the 50 yard line if you want. I don't have a problem with that. I agree that there are issues with the use of excessive force by some police officers that needs to be eliminated. I know there is racism that needs to end. But there also has to be law and order and compliance. If not, we will become a third world country. How many people have now died or been seriously injured during these so called peaceful protest? How many businesses have been destroyed? How much taxpayer property has been destroyed? Who do you think will pay for all of this? Protest all you want but do it peaceful, smart and don't alienate others. It only works if you keep everyone unified. Incorrectly turning Drew's words against him will also create division. These players and fans need to recognize and understand this. Peace, Love and Whodat!

blackangold · 06-04-2020, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

When you say people should protest gun violence Chicago, and evidence is shown that people already do, but you dismiss that evidence with ease it says to me your concern was disingenuous from the start. Bringing it up was merely a tactic to dismiss any and all complaints from the community. It’s moving the goal posts.

I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can.

I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response.

As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life.

No comment would have sufficed.

Rez

I believe there is a problem with police abuse of power, and there has been for some time. Many of them are trained to subvert the constitution and leave people thinking they have no right to silence or against unreasonable searches.

If Black Lives Matter why can’t the black community stop killing each other at alarming rates? Why does a “snitches get stitches” culture exist? Your seen as a race trader if you work with law enforcement to get criminals out of your community. Nothing can change, no investment into business of color or in minority areas can occur if it’s filled with crime. If the community itself doesn’t realize that change starts from within, nothing from the outside will matter.

Few solutions from my perspective:
1. De-criminalize non-violent crimes (drug crimes, crimes against property are violent). This locks up too many people for just wanting to get high. Focus should be on violence and rehab for non-violent offenders.

2. Body cameras to be mandatory for all police departments and are required to be running at all times.

3. National training effort for police regarding abuse of power and de-escalating tactics.

4. Incentivize and heavily promote trade programs in poor communities. Make the training free to provide skills and a way out for people in these communities that feel like they have no choice but crime.

Just my thoughts... if people are going to protest for change they need to know what policy changes they want.

rezburna · 06-04-2020, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Rez

I believe there is a problem with police abuse of power, and there has been for some time. Many of them are trained to subvert the constitution and leave people thinking they have no right to silence or against unreasonable searches.

If Black Lives Matter why can’t the black community stop killing each other at alarming rates? Why does a “snitches get stitches” culture exist? Your seen as a race trader if you work with law enforcement to get criminals out of your community. Nothing can change, no investment into business of color or in minority areas can occur if it’s filled with crime. If the community itself doesn’t realize that change starts from within, nothing from the outside will matter.

Few solutions from my perspective:
1. De-criminalize non-violent crimes (drug crimes, crimes against property are violent). This locks up too many people for just wanting to get high. Focus should be on violence and rehab for non-violent offenders.

2. Body cameras to be mandatory for all police departments and are required to be running at all times.

3. Notional training effort for police regarding abuse of power and de-escalating tactics.

4. Incentivize and heavily promote trade programs in poor communities. Make the training free to provide skills and a way out for people in these communities that feel like they have no choice but crime.

Just my thoughts... if people are going to protest for change they need to know what policy changes they want.

Poverty and violent criminality go hand in hand. There’s study after study detailing that. Most importantly, that should have no bearing on police brutality. Maybe if Black people were killing police at an alarming rate I could see the connection. And snitches get stitches is universal law in all street environments. Does the Yakuza allow snitches? Italians? Mexicans? Nobody does.

Your ideas for legislation are great though for those who see legislation as the end goal.

jeanpierre · 06-04-2020, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can.

This is the kind of frame of mind that Demario Davis has been lauded and that all people have gotten behind and supported and has seen steps taken. President Trump gets little credit (though he's not afraid to let people know) and that's that he gave people a seat at the table to publicly make their argument about former incarcerated reform and there's been steps taken at the federal and state level to the former incarcerated can have more legit steps to rebuild their lives...

Originally Posted by rezburna

I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response.

My issue from where I'm standing, is when police brutality is made into only a white cop on black perp crime - #FakeNews Manipulative #MSM knows this and that's what gets the air time and they hammer at it 24/7...

Do you know the same police force in MN killed a white perp who was attempting to surrender by a black police officer?

There was no looting and rioting.

Right here in Louisiana just a few years ago two black police officers shot and killed a white father with his son next to him in the truck on their property.

Again little to none #MSM coverage, but no looting and rioting...

And I've no doubt ANTIFA garbage has jumped in now as the leftists radicals had tried to do in the 1960's and stir racial disharmony among people who genuinely got along before being manipulated by #MSM and #Antifa...

But watching the video online shared by independent reporting, it's not just white kids raiding Cheesecake Factory stores, but folks of colour rioting and looting small businesses, and often those small biz owners are black!

That's when as Demario Davis rightly points out, that the whole thing loses focus - and it loses credibility...

Originally Posted by rezburna

As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life.

No comment would have sufficed.

Attacking Drew was just the last straw for me because he didn't repeat, verbatim the exact f*cking message...

People need to get their selfish head out of their arses and understand if we're all Americans, all in this together, then stop with the Identity politics of identifying as only one segment...

Then need to embrace and truly understand when people see #AllLivesMatter, it means that we're all in this fight together, we all hurt when an individual or just a couple of *******s violate an American's Rights and Due Process...

And that when a shady guy with a criminal history, or a 70+yo old police officer (also of colour), or some white punk who's stupidly trying to get some street cred are killed while in police custody - it's a problem for us all...

But the reaction we've seen and the virtue signaling by out-of-touch sports and entertainment personalities, to somehow call out someone like Drew, who did more for Black New Orleanians than even Obama, is bullsh*t...

And what it's worth, I'm not a black man and I can't fully appreciate the BS mindset you've got to go through in some situtations; I truly respect and appreciate that's no easy task...

But to say that poor white folks (jokingly and accepted in entertainment and news circles as white trash) get as rough a treatment; the words and faces may be different, but it's still a humiliating experience...

In my business, I still drive my Dad's old beat-up truck while wearing overalls after working on a farm or in a swamp; and yes, when I've been pulled over, a few of times without cause, I see a difference vs my then newer vehicle...

When I walk into the bank dirty, full of oil and dirt, I feel the shadow creeping up on me vs when I come in dressed dapper. And it's then I realize, like all folks, that the real colour that matters is Green...

Now I've many folks of colour I have as friends and clients - And we've very frank, honest talks and I believe them when they tell me how disgusted they are with all this virtue signaling and political correctness to social problems...

And I believe them and what I believe is their true #wokeness, when they acknowledge that the real colour that matters in this country is Green...

I believe them when they tell me they too, like Drew Brees, value their families' sacrifices, especially in the military, and don't believe in taking a knee...

And I believe them that it's better to sit down together, break bread together as neighbors, and have a calm talk about it without sh*tstarters yellin' from a podium or twitter account...

And for what it's worth, when I invite a handful of my friends and neighbors to come and sit down and burn some ribs and chicken at my small shot/warehouse and just talk, (as my late Dad taught me to do), the level and patience and respect for one another is tremendous...

And I agree with the earlier post, DeMario Davis is a legit man of his Belief in the Almighty, and we've got to stay on message and not tolerate virtue signalling, and especially not rioting and looting...

Cruize · 06-04-2020, 09:48 AM

Brees is not racist. Brees is not ignorant. Millions are racist. Millions are ignorant. All of us have beliefs that differs from others in large and small ways depending on the level of said beliefs. None of us are 100 percent correct or 100 percent wrong on 100 percent of our beliefs. Brees's original statement is not racist or ignorant. With all that's going on and due to the sensitive and volatile nature of it all, his original comments showed that he is human. Imperfect like us all. He has apologized. His apology was thoughtful and sincere. I believe his is a better person today than he was yesterday. All of us could use one of those moments. A moment of clarity. A moment of true understanding beyond ourselves.

SmashMouth · 06-04-2020, 10:02 AM

Beastmode · 06-04-2020, 10:05 AM

Should have put this in the political forum. Nobody is saying the police don't have problems profiling blacks and using brutal tactics. It needs to stop.

On the other hand, the flag represents all that we are, good and bad and the struggle to make it better constantly. It's a symbol to the goodness of people who gave their lives in that struggle. It's not a tribute to the bad things or to showcase those things. I served 20 years, lost several friends in combat, black and white. I will never join or support any movement disrespecting my service or theirs. They say they are not doing that but they actually are doing it. That's their right to do so, I fought to give them that right but I will never support their movement until that stops.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments When you say people should protest gun violence Chicago, and evidence is shown that people already do, but you dismiss that evidence with ease it says to me your concern was disingenuous from the start. Bringing it up was merely a tactic to dismiss any and all complaints from the community. It’s moving the goal posts. I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can. I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response. As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life. No comment would have sufficed. SmashMouth, cmike, darksoul35 and 1 others like this.
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06-04-2020, 08:56 AM	#73
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments He apologized. They already announced the team meeting. It’ll get passionate. People will cry and hug it out. It’ll be a learning experience and bonding moment on some “We Are the Titans” ****. Then they’ll go win the Super Bowl and the narrative will be how they overcame ideological differences to become champions of the world. Movies like that write themselves. AsylumGuido, OldMaid and darksoul35 like this.

06-04-2020, 09:27 AM	#74
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments If anyone truly believes Drew is racist, they are ignorant. No where in his interview did he say he had a problem with protesting racial injustice. He said he had a problem with disrespecting the flag and National Anthem. If people can't understand what he says, maybe they are the problem. You will never bring unity in this country if you continue to protest during the National Anthem. You will only create more division. Too many people view it as disrespectful to the soldiers who lost their lives defending this country. Protest before coin toss, before opening kick off, hell kneel down the entire half time on the 50 yard line if you want. I don't have a problem with that. I agree that there are issues with the use of excessive force by some police officers that needs to be eliminated. I know there is racism that needs to end. But there also has to be law and order and compliance. If not, we will become a third world country. How many people have now died or been seriously injured during these so called peaceful protest? How many businesses have been destroyed? How much taxpayer property has been destroyed? Who do you think will pay for all of this? Protest all you want but do it peaceful, smart and don't alienate others. It only works if you keep everyone unified. Incorrectly turning Drew's words against him will also create division. These players and fans need to recognize and understand this. Peace, Love and Whodat! jnormand, skymike, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

06-04-2020, 09:32 AM	#75
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by rezburna When you say people should protest gun violence Chicago, and evidence is shown that people already do, but you dismiss that evidence with ease it says to me your concern was disingenuous from the start. Bringing it up was merely a tactic to dismiss any and all complaints from the community. It’s moving the goal posts. I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can. I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response. As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life. No comment would have sufficed. Rez I believe there is a problem with police abuse of power, and there has been for some time. Many of them are trained to subvert the constitution and leave people thinking they have no right to silence or against unreasonable searches. If Black Lives Matter why can’t the black community stop killing each other at alarming rates? Why does a “snitches get stitches” culture exist? Your seen as a race trader if you work with law enforcement to get criminals out of your community. Nothing can change, no investment into business of color or in minority areas can occur if it’s filled with crime. If the community itself doesn’t realize that change starts from within, nothing from the outside will matter. Few solutions from my perspective: 1. De-criminalize non-violent crimes (drug crimes, crimes against property are violent). This locks up too many people for just wanting to get high. Focus should be on violence and rehab for non-violent offenders. 2. Body cameras to be mandatory for all police departments and are required to be running at all times. 3. National training effort for police regarding abuse of power and de-escalating tactics. 4. Incentivize and heavily promote trade programs in poor communities. Make the training free to provide skills and a way out for people in these communities that feel like they have no choice but crime. Just my thoughts... if people are going to protest for change they need to know what policy changes they want. darksoul35 likes this.
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06-04-2020, 09:38 AM	#76
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by blackangold Rez I believe there is a problem with police abuse of power, and there has been for some time. Many of them are trained to subvert the constitution and leave people thinking they have no right to silence or against unreasonable searches. If Black Lives Matter why can’t the black community stop killing each other at alarming rates? Why does a “snitches get stitches” culture exist? Your seen as a race trader if you work with law enforcement to get criminals out of your community. Nothing can change, no investment into business of color or in minority areas can occur if it’s filled with crime. If the community itself doesn’t realize that change starts from within, nothing from the outside will matter. Few solutions from my perspective: 1. De-criminalize non-violent crimes (drug crimes, crimes against property are violent). This locks up too many people for just wanting to get high. Focus should be on violence and rehab for non-violent offenders. 2. Body cameras to be mandatory for all police departments and are required to be running at all times. 3. Notional training effort for police regarding abuse of power and de-escalating tactics. 4. Incentivize and heavily promote trade programs in poor communities. Make the training free to provide skills and a way out for people in these communities that feel like they have no choice but crime. Just my thoughts... if people are going to protest for change they need to know what policy changes they want. Poverty and violent criminality go hand in hand. There’s study after study detailing that. Most importantly, that should have no bearing on police brutality. Maybe if Black people were killing police at an alarming rate I could see the connection. And snitches get stitches is universal law in all street environments. Does the Yakuza allow snitches? Italians? Mexicans? Nobody does. Your ideas for legislation are great though for those who see legislation as the end goal. cmike likes this.

06-04-2020, 09:45 AM	#77
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Originally Posted by rezburna I was already aware of protests, marches, and organizations created to stop gun violence. Anybody who’s really interested would know as well. A friend of mine and myself were texting yesterday morning and spitballing more innovative things we could do through his organization to address that specific issue. Gun safety training. Fun and informative. Job programs. Nothing would help more than being able to raise them up out of poverty stricken situations, but we do what we can. This is the kind of frame of mind that Demario Davis has been lauded and that all people have gotten behind and supported and has seen steps taken. President Trump gets little credit (though he's not afraid to let people know) and that's that he gave people a seat at the table to publicly make their argument about former incarcerated reform and there's been steps taken at the federal and state level to the former incarcerated can have more legit steps to rebuild their lives... Originally Posted by rezburna I get it. Y’all believe police brutality is a non-issue and y’all don’t give a **** what anybody has to say about it, and that’s fine. Just say that. Don’t pretend to care about other things to downplay what’s going on now. “What about Black on Black crime?” is an inappropriate response. My issue from where I'm standing, is when police brutality is made into only a white cop on black perp crime - #FakeNews Manipulative #MSM knows this and that's what gets the air time and they hammer at it 24/7... Do you know the same police force in MN killed a white perp who was attempting to surrender by a black police officer? There was no looting and rioting. Right here in Louisiana just a few years ago two black police officers shot and killed a white father with his son next to him in the truck on their property. Again little to none #MSM coverage, but no looting and rioting... And I've no doubt ANTIFA garbage has jumped in now as the leftists radicals had tried to do in the 1960's and stir racial disharmony among people who genuinely got along before being manipulated by #MSM and #Antifa... But watching the video online shared by independent reporting, it's not just white kids raiding Cheesecake Factory stores, but folks of colour rioting and looting small businesses, and often those small biz owners are black! That's when as Demario Davis rightly points out, that the whole thing loses focus - and it loses credibility... Originally Posted by rezburna As far as the original post is concern, I’m speaking on the Saints. Drew’s teammates and former teammates seem to be on the same accord. Thomas, Kamara, Jenkins, Sanders, and Jordan all had something to say. That’s almost every leader on the team. I’m sure the silent majority is powerful in the United States. That’s evident. However, the majority in the NFL is different from the majority in real life. No comment would have sufficed. Attacking Drew was just the last straw for me because he didn't repeat, verbatim the exact fcking message... People need to get their selfish head out of their arses and understand if we're all Americans, all in this together, then stop with the Identity politics of identifying as only one segment... Then need to embrace and truly understand when people see #AllLivesMatter, it means that we're all in this fight together, we all hurt when an individual or just a couple of *****s violate an American's Rights and Due Process... And that when a shady guy with a criminal history, or a 70+yo old police officer (also of colour), or some white punk who's stupidly trying to get some street cred are killed while in police custody - it's a problem for us all... But the reaction we've seen and the virtue signaling by out-of-touch sports and entertainment personalities, to somehow call out someone like Drew, who did more for Black New Orleanians than even Obama, is bullsht... And what it's worth, I'm not a black man and I can't fully appreciate the BS mindset you've got to go through in some situtations; I truly respect and appreciate that's no easy task... But to say that poor white folks (jokingly and accepted in entertainment and news circles as white trash) get as rough a treatment; the words and faces may be different, but it's still a humiliating experience... In my business, I still drive my Dad's old beat-up truck while wearing overalls after working on a farm or in a swamp; and yes, when I've been pulled over, a few of times without cause, I see a difference vs my then newer vehicle... When I walk into the bank dirty, full of oil and dirt, I feel the shadow creeping up on me vs when I come in dressed dapper. And it's then I realize, like all folks, that the real colour that matters is Green... Now I've many folks of colour I have as friends and clients - And we've very frank, honest talks and I believe them when they tell me how disgusted they are with all this virtue signaling and political correctness to social problems... And I believe them and what I believe is their true #wokeness, when they acknowledge that the real colour that matters in this country is Green... I believe them when they tell me they too, like Drew Brees, value their families' sacrifices, especially in the military, and don't believe in taking a knee... And I believe them that it's better to sit down together, break bread together as neighbors, and have a calm talk about it without sh*tstarters yellin' from a podium or twitter account... And for what it's worth, when I invite a handful of my friends and neighbors to come and sit down and burn some ribs and chicken at my small shot/warehouse and just talk, (as my late Dad taught me to do), the level and patience and respect for one another is tremendous... And I agree with the earlier post, DeMario Davis is a legit man of his Belief in the Almighty, and we've got to stay on message and not tolerate virtue signalling, and especially not rioting and looting... iceshack149, jnormand, Budsdrinker and 2 others like this.
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06-04-2020, 09:48 AM	#78
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Brees is not racist. Brees is not ignorant. Millions are racist. Millions are ignorant. All of us have beliefs that differs from others in large and small ways depending on the level of said beliefs. None of us are 100 percent correct or 100 percent wrong on 100 percent of our beliefs. Brees's original statement is not racist or ignorant. With all that's going on and due to the sensitive and volatile nature of it all, his original comments showed that he is human. Imperfect like us all. He has apologized. His apology was thoughtful and sincere. I believe his is a better person today than he was yesterday. All of us could use one of those moments. A moment of clarity. A moment of true understanding beyond ourselves. Budsdrinker and OldMaid like this.
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06-04-2020, 10:05 AM	#80
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Backlash from Michael Thomas, among others, forces Drew Brees to clarify comments Should have put this in the political forum. Nobody is saying the police don't have problems profiling blacks and using brutal tactics. It needs to stop. On the other hand, the flag represents all that we are, good and bad and the struggle to make it better constantly. It's a symbol to the goodness of people who gave their lives in that struggle. It's not a tribute to the bad things or to showcase those things. I served 20 years, lost several friends in combat, black and white. I will never join or support any movement disrespecting my service or theirs. They say they are not doing that but they actually are doing it. That's their right to do so, I fought to give them that right but I will never support their movement until that stops. Budsdrinker, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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