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The original is obviously better, but the Bizkit one is just demented fun. The heavy outbursts combined with the awkward lyric delivery, it was always tongue-in-cheek to me.

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Then you can count me into the 1%. Roger Godhell ruined the game and the players are kneeling on my chest while I watch them disrespect the flag.
**** that! :argue:

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Sure, I get what you are saying. I was also a season ticket holder for over 12 years (family season tickets since day 1). The last game I saw the saints play live was in London. Only then because that trip was already booked for sometime. Did not renew my season tickets and have not stepped foot in the superdome since. I don't watch my kids throw their tantrums so why would I buy a ticket and $9.00 beers to watch rich spoiled kids throw one?

Fantasy Football/gambling has made the NFL as popular as it is now and will continue for the future, until it doesn't. The end of the NFL could come from injuries, a general decline in talent or more than likely the greed of the owners and players. I don't care which one finished the job.

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The NFL should outlive us all. And I would have bought those season ticket rights from you. We've been on the waiting list for over 15 years. I don't care what players do before games or off the field. I love the game for what it is ... entertainment. Life is too important to let anything to do with the fringe activities ruin my good time. Sure, I get bummed by a loss or a horrible call, but I let everything else roll off my back and even those don't stick with me for long.

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Lol, the game won't outlive us all. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be the game *should have* outlived us all. If it were not run by a cavalcade of morons it would have a long life yet, but unless they reverse course quickly it will hit a peak and then start to plummet in the next few years. I'm not even factoring in all of the political bs, this is strictly based off of the neverending rule changes that are eroding the very essence of the game, and the terrible leadership of the owners and their puppet Goodell. The political stuff will lead to a faster end as well. Rest assured, now that the league has bent the knee (no pun intended) to BLM, more and more of these fringe groups will come demanding that the NFL bow to them as well. Next in line will be the LGBTHIJKLMNOP+ people. They tried a few years ago with the whole Michael Sam thing but the timing wasn't quite right. They'll be back in full force, the league will cave, alienate even more fans, then the next group will come along..lather, rinse, repeat. You're probably correct in your continual insistence that there aren't that many people upset enough about the kneeling to quit watching (though I'm equally as certain that you underestimate how many people are already at that point) but it will get there soon enough. Get whatever enjoyment you can from it while you still can, by all means. But you're kidding yourself if you honestly think the league isn't in serious trouble.

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You, my friend, are the one kidding himself. You are projecting your personal wishes toward the outcome of the league, but in actuality, the economic future of the league is in great hands. The NFL is far and away the most financially stable league in the entire world and the case of raw ass from a tiny percentage of Americans is not going to affect that status one iota. Bring on the LGBTQ and such. The vast majority of the world (which is now a quickly growing segment of the league's stakeholders) do not have an issue with that at all.

And to hell with the "essence of the game" argument. The game I started watching almost 60 years ago was different than the game I was watching 40 years ago. And that game was different than the game I was watching 20 years ago. And the game I will be watching 20 years from now will be different and I don't care. It's entertainment. Nothing more and nothing less. There is nothing sacred about it. The league has continued to grow through all the changes and will continue to do the same long past when you have met your maker.

The best thing you can do is accept that fact and just enjoy it for what it is ... entertainment. If you can't then you have been in it for the wrong reason all along and won't be missed. Sorry, but that is the brutal fact.

By the way ...

19-0 Baby!

:bng:

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I didn't watch a single game two years ago, I won't again this year. It wasn't so bad, I watched college football. (and I'll stop even watching that if I have to)

There's a difference between sports and entertainment, by the way. One promises fair, unbiased contests in which the outcome is dictated by skill and preparation.

The other promises only the appearance of those ideals, but ultimately, operate only for maximum drama and profit.

So what does winning even matter if there's nothing real at stake?

I personally don't find it entertaining or enjoyable to be lectured about what I should be doing and what a piece of trash my country is and how I need to apologize for something somebody who looks like me did to do to someone who looks like him.

People can do what they want, but I can see how one would have to keep telling themselves it's only entertainment to chase away their own objections like a chaser after a teaspoon of harsh medicine.

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Bye, bye! I enjoy the NFL as a game. Entertainment. If you can't handle that then by all means stop watching. You really won't be missed.

Your problem is truly elsewhere.

Edit: Why are you even still posting football related posting if you gave up on it two years ago? I have a feeling you are full of crap and had indeed watched games.

Oh, 19-0 Baby!

:bng:

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It's only entertainment. Yep, got it.

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Hahahahahahahahaha. What an utterly typical and predictable response. Honestly I'm not sure why I, or anyone, tries with you. If you're happy ingesting the rainbows that supreme leader Goodell expels from his anus, more power to you. I won't try to reason with you anymore. Your blinders are on and your hands and pressed tightly over your ears. This will be the last time I interact with you at all, so as a courtesy I'll let you know now that you need not respond to anything I post from here on. I won't read it, won't respond to it, won't even so much as acknowledge its existence. Have a wonderful life and good day to you.

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Thats a good take. Just as the aggrieved players claim we "arent hearing them," I dont know that you're really seeing the pattern here. This is truly a silent majority.

I totally get you. Believe me. For most of my life, I could have imagined living without a ding dong, before I could fathom doing without football. I never understood how people in other periods of history could ever be truly happy, without Football in their lives. Other people may get emotional remembering the song where they first kissed their Love. I get emotional hearing the Monday Night Football theme.

Now, i'm in need of a trip to Goodwill, as half of my wardrobe, Saints logo, is now obsolete. I'm not opposed to wearing it, but it just makes me so damn sad. I have a youtube channel, where I played the git tire. Saints stuff covers the background. Every other picture of me, every other thing in my garage, my floor mats, the cups at work, which dont need my name. Everyone knows who the Marques Colston stadium cup belongs to. My freakin business card! Black and gold with Solemnity Font. My
trademark helicopter silhouette with embedded Fleur de Lis. My road games, tail gates, crawfish parties with a ridiculous presence of b&g. Training camps, draft parties, and my Superdome grooms cake at my 3rd wedding. Guess what colors my tux was?

I feel like I've lost my best friend. sort of. But then I realize this friend
doesnt like me. Well, you, since im not actually "white." You dont say someone else is "privileged" unless you resent them. When you dislike an entire group of people because of their skin, thats called, guess what?
Racism. I've always hated racism. I've been a target, myself. My first idol was OJ Simpson. I know many great Law enforcement officers, who do not deserve the blanket slander. My cousins fought communists, which is what that POS Kaepernick is, in the jungles of SE Asia, under that Flag, as did a number of ancestors.

I know I know, Im "not understanding, blah blah fu**ng blah." You know what? They dont understand the Confederate Battle Flag's real meaning, nor Aunt Jemima, but damn, if they're not offended. Well, partner, this sh*t offends me. And I'm your customer. You wont feel it at first, until your media starts feeling revenue loss, and believe me (I work in Media) every Nielson Point is a buttload of cash. When tv starts to feel the pinch, sooner than later, the gravy train will start to derail. I dont know... Maybe I'm wrong. Dont care. Football happens in the Fall, when its most beautiful on the Gulf Coast. I didnt miss it in '17, or whenveer Kapersh*t was doing his ignorant carp. I dont think I'm alone.

I've said before, Im coming back here, to chat with friends, and enjoy some of the humor, drama, and intrigue. And I've stated my case. You can disagree, and we're still friends.

btw, I think I've figured out why you have some haters... your avatar looks like Father Guido is saying something sarcastic. its perfect, actually. He needs to wear a #19, though. You're old enough to know why.

Keep rockin!

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Talk about stick your head in the sand. LOL!

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We are about to see a perfect storm of 1/2 empty stadiums (and maybe missed games) due to the Corona virus and angry fans that will no longer buy anything NFL related this season. The viewership will decline whether you want to believe it or not, Guido.

This will mean a large drop in income. The salary cap will be affected. Contracts will shrink. Players will be angry at the outcome and wonder how they got to that point. Who knows? Maybe that will bring the NFL back down to earth and the game and its players might be watchable again.

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I respect the way that you feel and you have every right to feel that way. But, I think you are greatly overestimating the number of people that feel the exact same way. You speak of "every Nielson Point is a buttload of cash." This is true. I think you are going to be tremendously disappointed when those Nielsen numbers come rolling in at record levels come the start of the NFL season. The NFL may be the only game in town. The televised draft alone came in at 38% over the next closest year ever. Sure, there are people bent out of shape, but for every one that follows through on their threat to totally tune out of the NFL there will be a hundred that will indeed tune in once the games get underway.

I wear my Saints gear in one form or another (all of my masks are Saints themed) every day just as I have for the past 30 years and several times a day people (usually strangers) want to talk about the Saints and the NFL and how they can't wait for it to get rolling. Not once have I had anyone tell me that they are done with the NFL. You would think that someone would have if their numbers were of any significance whatsoever.

You and others are passionate in your level of vehemence toward the NFL. That is your right. But don't be fooled into believing that you are anywhere approaching a majority. Only a tiny minority have that same passion that would stand in the way of clicking that remote and tuning into the most popular televised sport in the world today.

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The NFL generates $11 billion of revenue annually. $3 billion of that comes from butts in the stands. That includes parking, concessions, game day merchandise, etc. The remaining $8 billion come from contracted revenues with broadcasting partners. The total revenue will absolutely be down. But $8 billion still places the product as a huge success. Sure, angry fans may not buy merchandise. But the vast majority of fans worldwide are not angry. As for viewership. Every person that would have normally been in the stands will now be tuning in instead. Viewership in one small demographic may indeed be down. But that will not offset the rest of the population that is starved for the distraction of the actual game itself.

And don't worry about the future earnings and contract implications. COVID-19 will have hundreds of times more effect on those than the supposed refusal of a small minority of fans that actually do decide to "tune out". Those concerns are already being addressed by the league and the NFLPA as we speak.

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You keep saying a small portion of fans believe as I do while ignoring the fact that this very forum has MANY people saying that they're disgusted with the NFL's current state and will not watch it or are very close to tuning out all together.
It's ironic that just a few posts back you suggested that another poster had his head in the sand.

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Many?? Count the number of posters saying they won't watch. Show me that list. Seriously. Are there ten of you yet? And how many of the possible ten of you will change your minds once the season begins? Huh?

Less than ten people out of 8435 members. I would be surprised if three of you would refuse to watch any NFL during this upcoming season once it arrives. I get why the few of you feel the way you do now. I don't agree, but I understand.

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I regret having posted what I posted after reflecting on it, cause generally I been trying to keep my "current events" rants in the poli-sci area. But honestly, you put some of my feelings into words

My best friend, whom I have some of the most precious memories of my LIFE with has decided to toss me out like the trash they believe I am.

And it's probably a bad idea for a business, IMO, to hold an attitude of contempt for their customers, and even worse if to treat them like they're as stupid as they believe they are.

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It is definitely a horrible idea for a business to cater to the whims of a tiny percentage of their clientele when the vast majority are the backbone of their extremely successful franchise.

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That would be great, Ice, Ice, Baby. Me and a group of Hou Dats
here were quite excited about Houston's XFL Team, and its players seemed very grateful, before our state succumbed to The Hoax.

I remember bubble gum cards with football players pictures, stats, history, and also on the back- Their off-season occupation.
I wont be disappointed, Guido. Nor will I be elated, if my predictions come true.
I wont be anything. Thats my whole point. I HAVE no emotional investment in this anymore. If they stay rich, if they crash, if the Saints with the SB, if Atlanta does, if they put on shiny pants and sing Pirates of Penzance.
I wont care.
My emotional investment, which motivated me to drive 6 hours each way, win or lose- They threw it out the window. If anyone else feels me, ok.
If im the only one, still ok.
I'm looking forward to the fun new stuff I'll be doing this Fall.
And having more money.

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If you wish to stop watching all NFL then you have that right. But just understand that you are only doing it for you. It is not going to affect the bottom line of the league one bit, nor the viewing pleasure of all of the rest of the fans.

My Great Grandma (we called her "Funny Grandma" and she liked that) used to tell us not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I asked her what she meant one day. She said think about what you are giving up and why. She said you may be mad about something your friend did, but think about what they really mean to you and if it is important enough to stop being friends over that act. Not the exact words, but that's what I got out of it some 55 years ago or so.

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With you on this one.....sad situation

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Moved to proper thread.

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If there is no 2020 season, what will determine draft order? Will there just be a giant lottery with complete randomization?

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Do you guys realize how many players need game checks to survive?

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well yeah... once you fall behind in your child support and your payments on your luxury vehicles, jewelry, high dollar suits and shoes, and paying out your entourage, your stripper ho's, making it rain, blingin wit your homies, and your gold teeth, the struggle becomes more real.

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I see we aren't even trying to hide the bigotry.

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The recommended emergency fun allocation is 3-6 months of living expenses. What a persons living expenses are is irrelevant as long as they set aside 3-6 months of it. If a person doesn't have that it doesn't matter if they spent it on your list or say bass boats, White Claw, golf clubs, Botox injections, hair coloring, ass implants, Britney Spears tickets you know... all the Ken and Barbie sh1t white people blow money on.

Within 30 days of furloughs and paycuts, more than 80% of my office complex were borrowing against their 401Ks.

Burning money is not a racial thing, its a humanity thing, its a society thing that isnt resident with in any one culture. Know why the stimulus checks didn't stimulate the economy? Because 80% or more went to Visa, Mastercard, or Discover as interest.

It doesn't matter how much you make, for most people, your costs eventually rise to parallel your income.

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Is that what you want? To be surrounded by tens of thousands of white millennial's crawling out of their mothers basement to pretend to care out of guilt or their need to be part of a collective because they weren't accepted by the cub they wanted in High School and will forever be bitter and angry about it.

Id rather everyone stop pretending so we can see where we truly are.

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They discussed this very subject on NFL Radio. The discussion came about when Malcolm Jenkins' interview was mentioned where he said he wouldn't want to play unless he felt safe. They said he was among the handful of NFL players that have been able to place themselves in a financial position to be able to forgo game checks. I believe it was the former Tampa Bay GM, Mark Dominik, that said unfortunately almost all the others players live up to those checks. He said the average career of an NFL player is only three years and while they may be getting paid $500K or $1M, the vast majority of them have spent that money up front on things they had never been able to afford before. Considering only half that check survives taxes they will all be in a major bind if they don't play. They said that unwillingness of players to play would not be a reason behind losing games.

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Have you ever seen the documentary BROKE? They actually focused primarily on NBA (fully guaranteed contracts) players losing their earnings so there is definitely credence to your statement as it relates to NFL players.

Blew my mind.

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Which is shocking to some but that exact characteristic isn't limited to any one collective. Scale is the only variance and even then that has no distinction when you compare players to lottery winners. Winners who did exactly the same thing but ended up worse than before they won because when the last penny was gone, they also had the burden of 'millionaires debt'.

My US Army enlistment bonus was $4,500 in 1989 less taxes of course. I was 19 years old with no less than $3000 in cash in my pocket with room/food/utilities/healthcare paid for, and job security for 4 years minimum. I lived within walking distance to the PXs hi-fidelity display area... Imagine how that ended lol. If only Bose still made 601's...

Its human nature. It's why rich parents set up trust funds and an executor in the event if their death to manage the money they leave their children for as long as they can.

In this very thread someone with a mountain of credit card debt is looking at an NFL player calling him stupid... What is missing from humanity is introspection.

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I think Dominik even referenced that documentary, not by name, but by content.

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I can quite possibly see the 2020 NFL season continue ... but without fans . The LaLiga (top professional Spanish soccer league) does it now. Kind of weird seeing that at the top level of European football however there are plans to bring back the fans (possibly at towards the end of the year) at some point with restrictions of course.

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Yes. People keep mentioning the loss of $3 billion in revenue if there are no fans in the seats, but they fail to mention the other $8 billion in lost revenue if the season isn't played at all. I just cannot envision owners ignoring $8 billion in revenue or players ignoring their portion, as well.

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I'm with you. I think you might have missed where my post was directed. It was directed at the post right before mine.

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Yeah. I thought Oak kinda missed the point there too. And I'm with him, also.

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This.

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Good post, good points, and a great thought about the humanity thing. I like the sound of it.

Im not sure to what extent it is true, or to what extent your inference from my post is untrue. Im sure there are stats no one dares to research, when you people (ha! an adjective pronoun + subject/ noun - hardly an epithet) cower in fear of offending someone with pancake syrup.

This isnt scientific research; Its a small sample, but its weird that my Jewish friends dont seem to be hurting much. I can get mad at em, or I can learn from them. I live in the Barrio. We dont have a choice but to live below our means.
I guess not, when we're accusing ALL police of being evil, and telling others they're "privileged" because of the color of their skin. Sounds like hate to me. So does beating random people in the street and burning their business. I never gave a damn what color people are.

I didnt describe anything you dont see in every rap video- and these guys are proud of the image. But who confines this to a race? Im sure Asian players are livin large too.

Dont try to scare me with a word. Im not a corporation.

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That's some serious over-generalization.

Also, I think you need to look up the definition of bigotry. My post had nothing to do with color of skin. Bigotry exists beyond that. And I'm not trying to scare you. It's pretty blatant in your post.