Season over before it starts

arsaint · 06-06-2020, 08:55 AM

First off, I will preface this by saying I have have lost 99.9% of my interest in the NFL. Couldn't care less any longer. It's nothing more than Goodell's version of WWE.

I used to watch every minute of the draft and pregame shows and every other tidbit of NFL programming I could find. I was beyond hooked. But a number of people have turned the league into a pansy social experiment that is a mere shadow of its former self.

But I digress - on to why this season is sunk before it starts...

1) 2020 planet earth. Can anyone really focus on anything??? Covid, riots, weather, potential wars, food shortages, businesses failing. It all seems to be going to hell in a handbasket.

2) Covid - how will it affect the players and coaches themselves? Will we lose star players (we always have crap luck on that) due to the virus - either out sick or quarantined?

3) Drew Brees (pre apology tour) - his last year. his 20th year. Can he still play at his HOF level? Will it matter (it hasn't got us over the hump since 2009). Is he dreaming of sitting in a NBC booth already?

4) Drew Brees (present day) - oh brother... He's pissed off most of the nation at this point and is entering a Twitter war with Trump. Can you say distracted? He has bought into the notion that you can't protest racial injustice and be patriotic at the same time. Here's a thought - don't sit/kneel/etc during the anthem, come out of the lockerroom at the half and do so for 5 minutes. Most people watching at home aren't watching the anthem anyway - at best they hear it while in the kitchen getting a beer or something to snack on.

5) Locker room is poisoned. Probably the most concerning for the 2020 campaign for fans left. Players will say they accept Drew's apology but will they really? Jenkins went on a tirade - something tells me he's not satisfied with a Tweet and an Instagram post. Maybe some of the linemen let Brees get ran over and injured. Maybe MT and others have the dropsies until Brees is benched in lieu of Winston. By whatever means necessary to get the out of touch Brees out of the game.

6) Malcontents. Leave aside all of the chaos of the past couple of weeks, I think the Saints screwed up with the signing of Winston and Jenkins. Winston was a train wreck in Tampa and my most vivid memories of Jenkins are him getting abused in the secondary on crucial plays. Payton knows the window is almost closed and is desperate to make something happen and is reaching with these 2 guys.

7) Sean Payton. Seems to have "ate the cheese" on himself. Thinks he's the crossfit champion, celebrity playboy, and world leader coach. Somebody find his ex-wife and put her in charge because he was a hell of a lot better coach when married to her. And riding Brees HOF coattails hasn't hurt either. I suspect he'll retire shortly after Brees and replace Bob Costas as the narcassistic political commentator for SNF.

I could go on and on but I probably have put some of you to sleep and made some others of you angry. Neither was my intent...

I part with this - as I doubt I will be around much with my work, worldly concerns, and my loss of interest in the NFL:

* You folks here are great - there was never a better group of loyal and intense fans that could support a team that often underachieved or disappointed. And I have never found a better Saints fan site to visit.

* I hope that if you continue to watch the Saints or the NFL in general that you can find some enjoyment from it. I don't any longer, and life is too short to waste leisure time on something you don't enjoy.

* I wish you all well - hope that everyone stays safe!

AsylumGuido · 06-06-2020, 10:31 AM

So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done.

As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment.

rezburna · 06-06-2020, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done.

As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment.

This is 100% true. The White players and Black players are often split on issues of race and politics. This isn’t anything new. Y’all remember I said we should sign Richie Incognito despite the fact he’s shown signs of being a bigot. When you get on the field you’re trying to win and all that bull**** goes out the window. It only becomes a problem when you aren’t winning. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be piling up victories.

Majority of my White teammates growing up feel just like Brees. All my Black teammates feel just like Thomas, Jenkins, etc. DIVISION ISN’T NEW! WE’VE BEEN DIVIDED THE WHOLE TIME! That doesn’t mean we won’t work together to get something we want. If they want a ring, they’ll let bygones be bygones in between the lines and go get it. This is the everyday reality of American society since forever.

Rugby Saint II · 06-06-2020, 11:19 AM

[QUOTE=AsylumGuido;890205]So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done.

As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment.

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I don't watch the NFL anymore either except for my beloved Saints and the teams that they will play so I can get a feel for the competition. I used to be an addict to my NFL addiction. When they introduced Thursday night football I was ecstatic. I could lay on the couch watching football all day Sunday and then again Monday night. I followed the draft but Godhell took all the fun out of that. I used to watch anything on sports network to follow the league. But that crap is unwatchable now. The analysts are brain dead and the marketing has gone toward fluff pieces with feelings. I'll tune in a soap opera if I need that crap. I tune in to hear football discussion not find out insignificant crap that is hardly related to the NFL.

I don't watch the NFL anymore because the officiating determines games and the NFL wants close games to keep viewers tuned in so they try to keep the games close. Oh, and while they review these inept calls we are flooded with commercials. Penalty? Go to commercial! Injury? Go to commercial! And then there is the split screen while they run commercials during the actual games. The game is entertainment as Guido says. Well, unlike the movie Gladiator I am not entertained!

Then sprinkle Roger Godhell's new rules that even the refs can't keep up with around the league and the confusion is evident. Still, we don't have full time refs because they could not control the outcome of games.

neugey · 06-06-2020, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment.

I think if our team puts in the work we will persevere through the distractions. Compared to what Phil Jackson guided the Bulls through with what was shown in the Last Dance, we have it pretty easy really.

I agree with Guido's mindset, it is entertainment, it's a sport. Seeing the best athletes and strategic minds get after it, the intense rivalries and the memories, those are inspiring, that's the fun factor I signed up for. There's a lot of things in today's NFL that are far, far from ideal - but at least they are still interested in providing a product (coldly staring at MLB front office and union).

OldMaid · 06-06-2020, 04:56 PM

I like and agree with your 3, 4, 5.
3). Regarding Brees, he is Public Enemy One.
I don't agree with him being Public Enemy Number One.
Dog with steak, dog with steak....the media and some players with ride out Brees statement and apology until Dec. 2020.

4) Avoid the problem.
The standing, sitting, kneeling, squatting, turning you back, whatever the hel1 you want to do during the National Anthem can be solved by just not bringing the team out on the field until the National Anthem is over. Many common sense people suggested this years ago . Players do not want that because they are denied their right to protest it and make them statement.
All players , ALL, whether they want to or not will kneel for the National Anthem this season or be Breesed if they don’t do this .
I am not saying their right to chose is wrong, but fact, this is different.

5) Locker room. Your team, grade level team, office department, precinct, etc. needs unity. Saints seemed to be good these years, as far as the public knows which is how it is supposed to.Now, hmmm. Hopefully they all can united in August.

The Dude · 06-06-2020, 06:59 PM

This will blow over just like everything else. In September there will be a whole new slough of topics for twitter to argue about. And no I’m not saying the conversation regarding racial issues will disappear. Hopefully it will evolve.

Hopefully this is a chance for Brees to lead the charge of white Americans who believe and are willing to look inside for change.

WillMacKenzie · 06-06-2020, 07:34 PM

We aren’t obligated to act with outrage with every ridiculous thing the media comes up with. They won’t solve anything for us, we’re responsible for that.

Sometimes I wonder if the media exists solely to sow discord among Americans for profit.

We all know subconsciously that forcing an issue never ends in agreement. An argument doesn’t aid a negotiation but actually hinders it, because it devolves into a win-lose power struggle — which engages our ego, which is so powerful, some would actually risk death than concede. It’s a fact backed up by actual brain scans.

Point is this, we’ve got two ears and only one mouth for a reason. If you can’t listen and validate each other before shutting down and blowing up in spectacular fashion, then what’s it all worth? Just take my freedom now in that case.

vpheughan · 06-06-2020, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done.

As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment.

You admit it's "Entertainment no more, no less." why do you get your cassock all in a bunch whenever anyone has something negative to say about "YOUR" "Entertainment no more, no less." Again by your own admission you were in the media and left the media!

Yet here you are on "SOCIAL MEDIA" quoting chapter and verse

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which is what? Yep! A form of MEDIA!! No wonder you're "confused"!

Shouldn't "Locker Room" be replaced with "Back Stage" or "On Set"? It is by your own admittance "Entertainment no more, no less."

Teams don't "practice" they "rehearse" (a play, piece of music, or other work) for later public performance. "Entertainment no more, no less."

They don't study game film to learn tendencies, they are learning the script. "Entertainment no more, no less."

"Entertainment no more, no less." How do any of us know that all the Drew Brees vs "The Locker Room" isn't all just part of the show?

In the Script Department of the New Orleans Saints.............."Hey Sean!!! How about we get Drew to say something that stirs up the team?" "You know one side get's all offended and later Drew has a meeting and issues an apology?" "If we're lucky the national MEDIA may get involved and really give us some good publicity!!!! "Let's dust off the old "Divided team comes together for a higher cause!!" "It'll wow 'em in the sticks!!!"

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Even has the mustache and glasses, with the extra bonus of being in the MEDIA!!

Here's your first piece of "Entertainment no more, no less." to critique!!

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I barely touched on the "Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat."

Strong swimmer?

As I said many years ago "Bread and Circuses" people "Bread and Circuses"
"Entertainment no more, no less."

Dominus vobiscum!

SaintGup · 06-08-2020, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by arsaint

First off, I will preface this by saying I have have lost 99.9% of my interest in the NFL. Couldn't care less any longer. It's nothing more than Goodell's version of WWE.

I used to watch every minute of the draft and pregame shows and every other tidbit of NFL programming I could find. I was beyond hooked. But a number of people have turned the league into a pansy social experiment that is a mere shadow of its former self.

But I digress - on to why this season is sunk before it starts...

1) 2020 planet earth. Can anyone really focus on anything??? Covid, riots, weather, potential wars, food shortages, businesses failing. It all seems to be going to hell in a handbasket.

2) Covid - how will it affect the players and coaches themselves? Will we lose star players (we always have crap luck on that) due to the virus - either out sick or quarantined?

3) Drew Brees (pre apology tour) - his last year. his 20th year. Can he still play at his HOF level? Will it matter (it hasn't got us over the hump since 2009). Is he dreaming of sitting in a NBC booth already?

4) Drew Brees (present day) - oh brother... He's pissed off most of the nation at this point and is entering a Twitter war with Trump. Can you say distracted? He has bought into the notion that you can't protest racial injustice and be patriotic at the same time. Here's a thought - don't sit/kneel/etc during the anthem, come out of the lockerroom at the half and do so for 5 minutes. Most people watching at home aren't watching the anthem anyway - at best they hear it while in the kitchen getting a beer or something to snack on.

5) Locker room is poisoned. Probably the most concerning for the 2020 campaign for fans left. Players will say they accept Drew's apology but will they really? Jenkins went on a tirade - something tells me he's not satisfied with a Tweet and an Instagram post. Maybe some of the linemen let Brees get ran over and injured. Maybe MT and others have the dropsies until Brees is benched in lieu of Winston. By whatever means necessary to get the out of touch Brees out of the game.

6) Malcontents. Leave aside all of the chaos of the past couple of weeks, I think the Saints screwed up with the signing of Winston and Jenkins. Winston was a train wreck in Tampa and my most vivid memories of Jenkins are him getting abused in the secondary on crucial plays. Payton knows the window is almost closed and is desperate to make something happen and is reaching with these 2 guys.

7) Sean Payton. Seems to have "ate the cheese" on himself. Thinks he's the crossfit champion, celebrity playboy, and world leader coach. Somebody find his ex-wife and put her in charge because he was a hell of a lot better coach when married to her. And riding Brees HOF coattails hasn't hurt either. I suspect he'll retire shortly after Brees and replace Bob Costas as the narcassistic political commentator for SNF.

I could go on and on but I probably have put some of you to sleep and made some others of you angry. Neither was my intent...

I part with this - as I doubt I will be around much with my work, worldly concerns, and my loss of interest in the NFL:

* You folks here are great - there was never a better group of loyal and intense fans that could support a team that often underachieved or disappointed. And I have never found a better Saints fan site to visit.

* I hope that if you continue to watch the Saints or the NFL in general that you can find some enjoyment from it. I don't any longer, and life is too short to waste leisure time on something you don't enjoy.

* I wish you all well - hope that everyone stays safe!

Always looked forward to NFL. Not now. Can't stand people who suck up, apologize for no reason and buy into all the bs that is coming out.

06-06-2020, 08:55 AM	#1
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,623	Season over before it starts First off, I will preface this by saying I have have lost 99.9% of my interest in the NFL. Couldn't care less any longer. It's nothing more than Goodell's version of WWE. I used to watch every minute of the draft and pregame shows and every other tidbit of NFL programming I could find. I was beyond hooked. But a number of people have turned the league into a pansy social experiment that is a mere shadow of its former self. But I digress - on to why this season is sunk before it starts... 1) 2020 planet earth. Can anyone really focus on anything??? Covid, riots, weather, potential wars, food shortages, businesses failing. It all seems to be going to hell in a handbasket. 2) Covid - how will it affect the players and coaches themselves? Will we lose star players (we always have crap luck on that) due to the virus - either out sick or quarantined? 3) Drew Brees (pre apology tour) - his last year. his 20th year. Can he still play at his HOF level? Will it matter (it hasn't got us over the hump since 2009). Is he dreaming of sitting in a NBC booth already? 4) Drew Brees (present day) - oh brother... He's pissed off most of the nation at this point and is entering a Twitter war with Trump. Can you say distracted? He has bought into the notion that you can't protest racial injustice and be patriotic at the same time. Here's a thought - don't sit/kneel/etc during the anthem, come out of the lockerroom at the half and do so for 5 minutes. Most people watching at home aren't watching the anthem anyway - at best they hear it while in the kitchen getting a beer or something to snack on. 5) Locker room is poisoned. Probably the most concerning for the 2020 campaign for fans left. Players will say they accept Drew's apology but will they really? Jenkins went on a tirade - something tells me he's not satisfied with a Tweet and an Instagram post. Maybe some of the linemen let Brees get ran over and injured. Maybe MT and others have the dropsies until Brees is benched in lieu of Winston. By whatever means necessary to get the out of touch Brees out of the game. 6) Malcontents. Leave aside all of the chaos of the past couple of weeks, I think the Saints screwed up with the signing of Winston and Jenkins. Winston was a train wreck in Tampa and my most vivid memories of Jenkins are him getting abused in the secondary on crucial plays. Payton knows the window is almost closed and is desperate to make something happen and is reaching with these 2 guys. 7) Sean Payton. Seems to have "ate the cheese" on himself. Thinks he's the crossfit champion, celebrity playboy, and world leader coach. Somebody find his ex-wife and put her in charge because he was a hell of a lot better coach when married to her. And riding Brees HOF coattails hasn't hurt either. I suspect he'll retire shortly after Brees and replace Bob Costas as the narcassistic political commentator for SNF. I could go on and on but I probably have put some of you to sleep and made some others of you angry. Neither was my intent... I part with this - as I doubt I will be around much with my work, worldly concerns, and my loss of interest in the NFL: * You folks here are great - there was never a better group of loyal and intense fans that could support a team that often underachieved or disappointed. And I have never found a better Saints fan site to visit. * I hope that if you continue to watch the Saints or the NFL in general that you can find some enjoyment from it. I don't any longer, and life is too short to waste leisure time on something you don't enjoy. * I wish you all well - hope that everyone stays safe! Danno, spkb25, neugey and 10 others like this.

06-06-2020, 10:31 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,392	Re: Season over before it starts So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done. As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment. neugey, nola_swammi, OldMaid and 2 others like this.
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06-06-2020, 10:43 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: Season over before it starts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done. As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment. This is 100% true. The White players and Black players are often split on issues of race and politics. This isn’t anything new. Y’all remember I said we should sign Richie Incognito despite the fact he’s shown signs of being a bigot. When you get on the field you’re trying to win and all that bull**** goes out the window. It only becomes a problem when you aren’t winning. There’s no reason we shouldn’t be piling up victories. Majority of my White teammates growing up feel just like Brees. All my Black teammates feel just like Thomas, Jenkins, etc. DIVISION ISN’T NEW! WE’VE BEEN DIVIDED THE WHOLE TIME! That doesn’t mean we won’t work together to get something we want. If they want a ring, they’ll let bygones be bygones in between the lines and go get it. This is the everyday reality of American society since forever. AsylumGuido, cmike and K Major like this.
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06-06-2020, 11:19 AM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,725	Re: Season over before it starts [QUOTE=AsylumGuido;890205]So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done. As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment. [/QUOTE I don't watch the NFL anymore either except for my beloved Saints and the teams that they will play so I can get a feel for the competition. I used to be an addict to my NFL addiction. When they introduced Thursday night football I was ecstatic. I could lay on the couch watching football all day Sunday and then again Monday night. I followed the draft but Godhell took all the fun out of that. I used to watch anything on sports network to follow the league. But that crap is unwatchable now. The analysts are brain dead and the marketing has gone toward fluff pieces with feelings. I'll tune in a soap opera if I need that crap. I tune in to hear football discussion not find out insignificant crap that is hardly related to the NFL. I don't watch the NFL anymore because the officiating determines games and the NFL wants close games to keep viewers tuned in so they try to keep the games close. Oh, and while they review these inept calls we are flooded with commercials. Penalty? Go to commercial! Injury? Go to commercial! And then there is the split screen while they run commercials during the actual games. The game is entertainment as Guido says. Well, unlike the movie Gladiator I am not entertained! Then sprinkle Roger Godhell's new rules that even the refs can't keep up with around the league and the confusion is evident. Still, we don't have full time refs because they could not control the outcome of games. Danno, Pete, darksoul35 and 1 others like this.
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06-06-2020, 12:00 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,591 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Season over before it starts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment. I think if our team puts in the work we will persevere through the distractions. Compared to what Phil Jackson guided the Bulls through with what was shown in the Last Dance, we have it pretty easy really. I agree with Guido's mindset, it is entertainment, it's a sport. Seeing the best athletes and strategic minds get after it, the intense rivalries and the memories, those are inspiring, that's the fun factor I signed up for. There's a lot of things in today's NFL that are far, far from ideal - but at least they are still interested in providing a product (coldly staring at MLB front office and union).

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06-06-2020, 04:56 PM	#6
OldMaid Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,818 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Season over before it starts I like and agree with your 3, 4, 5. 3). Regarding Brees, he is Public Enemy One. I don't agree with him being Public Enemy Number One. Dog with steak, dog with steak....the media and some players with ride out Brees statement and apology until Dec. 2020. 4) Avoid the problem. The standing, sitting, kneeling, squatting, turning you back, whatever the hel1 you want to do during the National Anthem can be solved by just not bringing the team out on the field until the National Anthem is over. Many common sense people suggested this years ago . Players do not want that because they are denied their right to protest it and make them statement. All players , ALL, whether they want to or not will kneel for the National Anthem this season or be Breesed if they don’t do this . I am not saying their right to chose is wrong, but fact, this is different. 5) Locker room. Your team, grade level team, office department, precinct, etc. needs unity. Saints seemed to be good these years, as far as the public knows which is how it is supposed to.Now, hmmm. Hopefully they all can united in August.

06-06-2020, 06:59 PM	#7
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Season over before it starts This will blow over just like everything else. In September there will be a whole new slough of topics for twitter to argue about. And no I’m not saying the conversation regarding racial issues will disappear. Hopefully it will evolve. Hopefully this is a chance for Brees to lead the charge of white Americans who believe and are willing to look inside for change. neugey and K Major like this.
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06-06-2020, 07:34 PM	#8
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Season over before it starts We aren’t obligated to act with outrage with every ridiculous thing the media comes up with. They won’t solve anything for us, we’re responsible for that. Sometimes I wonder if the media exists solely to sow discord among Americans for profit. We all know subconsciously that forcing an issue never ends in agreement. An argument doesn’t aid a negotiation but actually hinders it, because it devolves into a win-lose power struggle — which engages our ego, which is so powerful, some would actually risk death than concede. It’s a fact backed up by actual brain scans. Point is this, we’ve got two ears and only one mouth for a reason. If you can’t listen and validate each other before shutting down and blowing up in spectacular fashion, then what’s it all worth? Just take my freedom now in that case. Rugby Saint II and The Dude like this.

06-06-2020, 08:58 PM	#9
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Season over before it starts Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So, have you actually been in the locker room to ascertain that it is indeed "poisoned"? There has been forever disagreements in the locker rooms over subjects such as politics and religion according to NFL Radio's Solomon Wilcots. He said that players can compartmentalize them, however, still function as a team. I think you are reading too much into the whole affair. Drew Brees is a genuine person and well liked by every player throughout the league. I would expect his teammates, and others across the league, to honestly accept his personal apologies and to move on, as they have claimed to have done. As for abandoning the league, I think your are taking things far too personal. The NFL is one thing and one thing only ... entertainment. No more, no less. Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat. Personally I cannot wait for things to get back rolling. I'll once again have Sunday Ticket and will be watching EVERY game! I will be completely focused on enjoying the NFL for exactly what it is ... entertainment. You admit it's *"Entertainment no more, no less."* why do you get your cassock all in a bunch whenever anyone has something negative to say about "YOUR" *"Entertainment no more, no less."* Again by your own admission you were in the media and left the media! Yet here you are on "SOCIAL MEDIA" quoting chapter and verse which is what? Yep! A form of MEDIA!! No wonder you're "confused"! Shouldn't "Locker Room" be replaced with "Back Stage" or "On Set"? It is by your own admittance *"Entertainment no more, no less."* Teams don't "practice" they "rehearse" (a play, piece of music, or other work) for later public performance. *"Entertainment no more, no less."* They don't study game film to learn tendencies, they are learning the script. *"Entertainment no more, no less."* *"Entertainment no more, no less."* How do any of us know that all the Drew Brees vs "The Locker Room" isn't all just part of the show? In the Script Department of the New Orleans Saints.............."Hey Sean!!! How about we get Drew to say something that stirs up the team?" "You know one side get's all offended and later Drew has a meeting and issues an apology?" "If we're lucky the national MEDIA may get involved and really give us some good publicity!!!! "Let's dust off the old "Divided team comes together for a higher cause!!" "It'll wow 'em in the sticks!!!" This should be your avatar! Even has the mustache and glasses, with the extra bonus of being in the MEDIA!! Here's your first piece of *"Entertainment no more, no less."* to critique!! I barely touched on the *"Letting it become any more than that is missing the boat."* Strong swimmer? As I said many years ago "Bread and Circuses" people "Bread and Circuses" *"Entertainment no more, no less."* Dominus vobiscum!
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06-08-2020, 05:14 AM	#10
SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Re: Season over before it starts Originally Posted by arsaint First off, I will preface this by saying I have have lost 99.9% of my interest in the NFL. Couldn't care less any longer. It's nothing more than Goodell's version of WWE. I used to watch every minute of the draft and pregame shows and every other tidbit of NFL programming I could find. I was beyond hooked. But a number of people have turned the league into a pansy social experiment that is a mere shadow of its former self. But I digress - on to why this season is sunk before it starts... 1) 2020 planet earth. Can anyone really focus on anything??? Covid, riots, weather, potential wars, food shortages, businesses failing. It all seems to be going to hell in a handbasket. 2) Covid - how will it affect the players and coaches themselves? Will we lose star players (we always have crap luck on that) due to the virus - either out sick or quarantined? 3) Drew Brees (pre apology tour) - his last year. his 20th year. Can he still play at his HOF level? Will it matter (it hasn't got us over the hump since 2009). Is he dreaming of sitting in a NBC booth already? 4) Drew Brees (present day) - oh brother... He's pissed off most of the nation at this point and is entering a Twitter war with Trump. Can you say distracted? He has bought into the notion that you can't protest racial injustice and be patriotic at the same time. Here's a thought - don't sit/kneel/etc during the anthem, come out of the lockerroom at the half and do so for 5 minutes. Most people watching at home aren't watching the anthem anyway - at best they hear it while in the kitchen getting a beer or something to snack on. 5) Locker room is poisoned. Probably the most concerning for the 2020 campaign for fans left. Players will say they accept Drew's apology but will they really? Jenkins went on a tirade - something tells me he's not satisfied with a Tweet and an Instagram post. Maybe some of the linemen let Brees get ran over and injured. Maybe MT and others have the dropsies until Brees is benched in lieu of Winston. By whatever means necessary to get the out of touch Brees out of the game. 6) Malcontents. Leave aside all of the chaos of the past couple of weeks, I think the Saints screwed up with the signing of Winston and Jenkins. Winston was a train wreck in Tampa and my most vivid memories of Jenkins are him getting abused in the secondary on crucial plays. Payton knows the window is almost closed and is desperate to make something happen and is reaching with these 2 guys. 7) Sean Payton. Seems to have "ate the cheese" on himself. Thinks he's the crossfit champion, celebrity playboy, and world leader coach. Somebody find his ex-wife and put her in charge because he was a hell of a lot better coach when married to her. And riding Brees HOF coattails hasn't hurt either. I suspect he'll retire shortly after Brees and replace Bob Costas as the narcassistic political commentator for SNF. I could go on and on but I probably have put some of you to sleep and made some others of you angry. Neither was my intent... I part with this - as I doubt I will be around much with my work, worldly concerns, and my loss of interest in the NFL: * You folks here are great - there was never a better group of loyal and intense fans that could support a team that often underachieved or disappointed. And I have never found a better Saints fan site to visit. * I hope that if you continue to watch the Saints or the NFL in general that you can find some enjoyment from it. I don't any longer, and life is too short to waste leisure time on something you don't enjoy. * I wish you all well - hope that everyone stays safe! Always looked forward to NFL. Not now. Can't stand people who suck up, apologize for no reason and buy into all the bs that is coming out. Danno, jeanpierre and St. Sherman like this.