Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired

AsylumGuido · 06-08-2020, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

No, you aren't genuine. Your opinion blows with the wind. You are a contrarian. A contrarian, by his very nature, cannot be genuine. You don't want to be seen as controversial. So instead, you just behave like a jerk toward anyone who dares to raise a controversial point about your team, or players on your team. That's pathetic.

You are also making straw man arguments. Nobody is making the statement that people can't make mistakes. Nor is anyone saying that people can't work it out. I believe in all of that, and I believe people can change. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Drew didn't make a mistake. He said he wouldn't support disrespecting the flag. Let me translate that for you: That doesn't mean he was taking a position on whether blacks are oppressed or not (which is a subject several of us have addressed here), it means he disagreed with the method of protest. And they didn't work it out. They didn't decide "ok, we disagree with you, but we respect your opinion, and we don't believe you meant anything malicious by what you said" (which, of course it wasn't malicious). They pushed on him until he caved. It doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors by that time. They didn't allow him to have his own opinion. And Drew, for his part, failed to stand up for himself.

I know you like to literalize words when you can't formulate a sound, or even remotely reasonable, rebuttal. First, I didn't say "every player", I said "pretty much every player who had a twitter", if you are going to be literal about it. But it's a figure of speech, meaning an overwhelming majority. You already knew that, of course, but you always resort to misdirection tactics. It wasn't just Saints players, it was players all across the league. Name one who came out in SUPPORT of Drew? I have yet to see one single person. Only some fans, and conservative commentators defended him. Not football players. Is it possible that SOMEONE in the league supported him? I guess, but it speaks volumes that I have yet to see one.

I know you were hoping to get somewhere with your attempt to divert from the subject at hand. Sorry to disappoint you.

First of all, addressing Brees' initial objection to the means of protest, he definitely didn't approve of it. Neither did many Americans, including myself. But, after meaningful conversation I have come to accept it as a very valid means of protest, as has many Americans including the NFL as a whole. Why you would demonize Brees for coming to the very same conclusion is baffling. Brees is admirable as he is willing to listen and learn. That isn't easy to do.

I understand your objection, It is your right, but as an American you should understand all of others as well.

As for the formula of your Twitter argument. I'll let you off the hook and ask you to then use "an overwhelming majority" of players with Twitter accounts as you now have amended. I'd still like to see the same calculations as requested based upon a very conservative majority of 50.0001% of the players with accounts.

Waiting ...........

06-08-2020, 05:33 PM	#13
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Tom Brady Reportedly Had ‘Serious Interest’ In The Saints If Drew Brees Retired Originally Posted by burningmetal No, you aren't genuine. Your opinion blows with the wind. You are a contrarian. A contrarian, by his very nature, cannot be genuine. You don't want to be seen as controversial. So instead, you just behave like a jerk toward anyone who dares to raise a controversial point about your team, or players on your team. That's pathetic. You are also making straw man arguments. Nobody is making the statement that people can't make mistakes. Nor is anyone saying that people can't work it out. I believe in all of that, and I believe people can change. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Drew didn't make a mistake. He said he wouldn't support disrespecting the flag. Let me translate that for you: That doesn't mean he was taking a position on whether blacks are oppressed or not (which is a subject several of us have addressed here), it means he disagreed with the method of protest. And they didn't work it out. They didn't decide "ok, we disagree with you, but we respect your opinion, and we don't believe you meant anything malicious by what you said" (which, of course it wasn't malicious). They pushed on him until he caved. It doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors by that time. They didn't allow him to have his own opinion. And Drew, for his part, failed to stand up for himself. I know you like to literalize words when you can't formulate a sound, or even remotely reasonable, rebuttal. First, I didn't say "every player", I said "pretty much every player who had a twitter", if you are going to be literal about it. But it's a figure of speech, meaning an overwhelming majority. You already knew that, of course, but you always resort to misdirection tactics. It wasn't just Saints players, it was players all across the league. Name one who came out in SUPPORT of Drew? I have yet to see one single person. Only some fans, and conservative commentators defended him. Not football players. Is it possible that SOMEONE in the league supported him? I guess, but it speaks volumes that I have yet to see one. I know you were hoping to get somewhere with your attempt to divert from the subject at hand. Sorry to disappoint you. First of all, addressing Brees' initial objection to the means of protest, he definitely didn't approve of it. Neither did many Americans, including myself. But, after meaningful conversation I have come to accept it as a very valid means of protest, as has many Americans including the NFL as a whole. Why you would demonize Brees for coming to the very same conclusion is baffling. Brees is admirable as he is willing to listen and learn. That isn't easy to do. I understand your objection, It is your right, but as an American you should understand all of others as well. As for the formula of your Twitter argument. I'll let you off the hook and ask you to then use "an overwhelming majority" of players with Twitter accounts as you now have amended. I'd still like to see the same calculations as requested based upon a very conservative majority of 50.0001% of the players with accounts. Waiting ...........
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