Of course the media engages in hyperbole and click baiting. But it only takes a tiny amount of discernment to figure out that the reactions of his teammates are not click bait. These are THEIR words that THEY made public on twitter. Drew was asked a question and responded. And it was a reasonable answer. But his teammates acted like a bunch of bigots and not only jumped down his throat about it but, as I said, did so publicly.

It's kind of pathetic the lengths some people will go to in order to excuse the behavior of their beloved football heroes. There is literally no way to construe this reaction by the players as being a media narrative. The media and the players have INVENTED this narrative, together, and no doubt the media will milk it for all it's worth, but this never would have been an issue if these guys knew how to handle a disagreement like grown men.

Now Drew has bent over to political correctness, instead of standing his ground. I'm not sure there is a single principled person left in the NFL.

They did work out their problems in PRIVATE. The problem was created in PUBLIC, but they had private conversations the next day ... like adults, and worked it out.

You know how I know that? It's not a crystal ball ... the players, including Malcolm Jenkins, praised Brees after that PRIVATE talk like adults. The fact that you haven't made that connection is absurd.

Well then it's about time you abandon the Saints and the NFL for good if it upsets you so. I'm sure that would treat them right for hurting your feelings.

I already have cut ties with both. But they didn't "hurt" my "feelings".

When someone does something that you think is reprehensible, and you say "I have no respect for that person" or "those people", does that mean your feelings are hurt by it? Does finding a problem with something automatically equate to hurt feelings in your little bubble?

Try not to embarrass yourself.

Not the one embarrassing myself. You're the one trying to make a big deal about a beef between two professional entertainers. Lighten up, Francis.



And a beef that has since been resolved ... albeit you fail to understand that simple concept.

Understand now?

Also, what are you doing hanging out on an NFL affiliated forum centered around the Saints if you have "cut ties with both"?

Must be those hurt feelings. Those entertainers can be so mean.

Trust me... You've embarrassed yourself beyond belief, at this point, friend.

A couple of things: Being "entertainers" as has nothing to do with how your actions should be viewed. We're not talking about entertainment. We're talking about bigots spewing a false narrative that is going on across America, right now, and threatening to tear the country apart. You call that entertainment? This shows your unbelievable lack of perspective. Your have your eyes and ears covered, yelling "lalalalala, I can't hear you!", because the only thing you seem to care about is being entertained.

Also, why do you keep saying "between two professionals"? This wasn't between two people. It was between pretty much every player who had a twitter account, and Brees. That's not some small thing.

And for the THIRD time, nothing was "worked out". You failed to even address what I said. That's how kids argue. They just keep repeating "you don't know nothin', shut up!". In no way is bullying someone into taking your position, "working things out". And this bullying is going on across the nation, and these celebrities have a platform that allows them to reach a lot of people with what they say. They have chosen to use that platform to spread derision and outright hatred. That's why this matters to me, matters to a lot of people, and should matter to everyone.

What I choose to freely discuss on a board that I've been a member of for over 8 years, is my business. This isn't a football discussion. It just happens to involve football players. You had this same condescending, self-righteous attitude during kneel-gate. You wanted everyone who was disgusted to just go away. Well, guess what? This board isn't about you. You can disagree all you want, just like I can. But you don't get to dictate what a person chooses to use this site for, much less whether they can even be here, at all.

You are a phony.

Nope. I am genuine. Not phony at all. I am tolerant. I believe in the human spirit. I believe people can make mistakes, can hurt others feelings, can even cause major emotional pain ... and yet, with open (private) dialog can come to understandings and work together to make things better.

As for "every player that had a twitter account", you need to do your homework. Spend some time and list EVERY player that came out against Brees' statement and then compare it to the total number of players that indeed have Twitter accounts and I suspect in percentage it would not approach "every", but would indeed be infinitesimal. Please be thorough in your research ... unless you know you were totally wrong, of course.

Now, going under the assumption that you did indeed do said research, subtract the number of those players that have since accepted Brees' apology and were ready to move on. Now, where does that leave us?

Am I guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of .00001%?

And people say the media spews hyperbole.

19-0 Baby!

No, you aren't genuine. Your opinion blows with the wind. You are a contrarian. A contrarian, by his very nature, cannot be genuine. You don't want to be seen as controversial. So instead, you just behave like a jerk toward anyone who dares to raise a controversial point about your team, or players on your team. That's pathetic.

You are also making straw man arguments. Nobody is making the statement that people can't make mistakes. Nor is anyone saying that people can't work it out. I believe in all of that, and I believe people can change. That has nothing to do with the point I'm making. Drew didn't make a mistake. He said he wouldn't support disrespecting the flag. Let me translate that for you: That doesn't mean he was taking a position on whether blacks are oppressed or not (which is a subject several of us have addressed here), it means he disagreed with the method of protest. And they didn't work it out. They didn't decide "ok, we disagree with you, but we respect your opinion, and we don't believe you meant anything malicious by what you said" (which, of course it wasn't malicious). They pushed on him until he caved. It doesn't matter if it was behind closed doors by that time. They didn't allow him to have his own opinion. And Drew, for his part, failed to stand up for himself.

I know you like to literalize words when you can't formulate a sound, or even remotely reasonable, rebuttal. First, I didn't say "every player", I said "pretty much every player who had a twitter", if you are going to be literal about it. But it's a figure of speech, meaning an overwhelming majority. You already knew that, of course, but you always resort to misdirection tactics. It wasn't just Saints players, it was players all across the league. Name one who came out in SUPPORT of Drew? I have yet to see one single person. Only some fans, and conservative commentators defended him. Not football players. Is it possible that SOMEONE in the league supported him? I guess, but it speaks volumes that I have yet to see one.

I know you were hoping to get somewhere with your attempt to divert from the subject at hand. Sorry to disappoint you.

First of all, addressing Brees' initial objection to the means of protest, he definitely didn't approve of it. Neither did many Americans, including myself. But, after meaningful conversation I have come to accept it as a very valid means of protest, as has many Americans including the NFL as a whole. Why you would demonize Brees for coming to the very same conclusion is baffling. Brees is admirable as he is willing to listen and learn. That isn't easy to do.

I understand your objection, It is your right, but as an American you should understand all of others as well.

As for the formula of your Twitter argument. I'll let you off the hook and ask you to then use "an overwhelming majority" of players with Twitter accounts as you now have amended. I'd still like to see the same calculations as requested based upon a very conservative majority of 50.0001% of the players with accounts.

Waiting ...........