Malik Jackson won’t accept Brees apology
 

If things are going to change and you refuse to accept someone’s apology and refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt that they are sincere what’s the point of even having the discussion on race relations?
I really hope Brees doesn’t wind up getting hurt. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...o-playing-him/

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Malik and the KKK have a common bond. Neither accept Brees's apology.

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I have a feeling Brees' teammates will have Brees' back and it's Malik that need to be careful. I'm sure they can think for themselves and don't need his guidance.

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Senate just one upped Brees. Now wearing African scarves. Black people are now furious.

https://i0.wp.com/thespectator.info/...pg?w=750&ssl=1

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You never know whats gonna come out of Philly, not to mention those cool slippers.

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True, it is Philly we are talking about here.
I just don’t get it. We are supposed to be willing to change, look inside ourselves, and listen to what the black community is saying. My opinions on racial inequality have changed And my stance on many issues have changed. I thought this is what the black community wants. What’s the point of all this if people aren’t able to accept the fact that people are open to change. I hate the double standard.

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He appears to be in the minority when it comes to accepting that people are willing to change. I know I have. Apparently Drew has changed his perspective, as well. Every Saints player that came out against Drew's interview answer has "praised" or commended him since their private meetings. It will take quite a bit of compromise for things to improve elsewhere.

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This is comical. The black community is having a tweetfest over this. At least they didn't go full on blackface.

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SHANNON SHARPE
UNCANCELS DREW BREES
After QB Calls To Apologize

Shannon Sharpe had a change of heart about Drew Brees -- now saying the QB deserves a 2nd chance ... just days after blasting the NFL star on national TV.

Remember, Sharpe called for Brees to retire and walk away from pro football forever on his FS1 show "Undisputed" after Drew condemned NFL kneelers during an interview with Yahoo Finance.

"It wasn't what he said," Sharpe said Thursday ... "it was how he said it. He was defiant. I will NEVER respect the man."

But, after Sharpe went scorched-earth on Drew, the QB picked up the phone and talked things out with Shannon ... and apparently, he made a real impact.

Shannon says Drew understood he messed up -- and has vowed to educate himself on the topic so he can try and redeem himself.

Sharpe says he lectured Drew on why the protest is NOT about disrespecting the military -- but rather putting a spotlight on police brutality and racial injustice in America.

On Monday's "Undisputed," Sharpe says he's now in Drew's corner -- and hopes he makes the best of this second chance.

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Amazing what two adults talking privately can accomplish.

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The protests have killed more black people by actual black people than white police. Think it's up to a dozen now of black people killing black people. It's a grim reality nobody wants to admit.

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This is what I had hoped would happen, glad people are cooling off and not acting out of anger so much. With social media society and public opinion is now happening in real time. Just as an individual goes through stages of grief so does society as a whole now. Collective knee jerk reactions and society speaking and acting out of anger as a whole.
Even the government has adopted this knee jerk reaction plan of action. Let’s just dissolve the police department and privatize it without any infrastructure or plan of transition. Yea that will work.

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Yup. It's called being adults and decent human beings.

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Well, you ain’t gonna please everyone. And why African scarfs like black folks just got here? To be quite honest I hate the term African American. My family has been here for over seven generations as most other black folks have.

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I hope that’s photoshopped, cause that’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen

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Right? I couldn't imagine calling myself European American, how can you be both lol?

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It's real. Russia and impeachment failed. Now on to plans C &D. Masks and scarves.

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All this ominously reminds me of the Cultural Revolution “struggle sessions” in China

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Source: Shaquille O'Neal urged Saints to stay unified during team meeting after Drew Brees comments

Shaquille O'Neal urged the New Orleans Saints last Thursday not to let the media divide them in the wake of Drew Brees' national anthem comments, a source confirmed to ESPN.

"They're going to try to divide you, just like they divided us with the Lakers! Me and Kobe [Bryant], we had a great thing going, but the media divided our team," O'Neal said in the message during a virtual team meeting. "We could have won five more championships! Stay strong. Don't let the media divide you! Don't let social media divide you!"

The Basketball Hall of Famer had been previously scheduled as a guest speaker for the meeting last Thursday. After Brees' comments to Yahoo Finance on Wednesday that he believed players kneeling during the national anthem were disrespecting the flag and the military, the subject of the meeting became a forum for the quarterback to apologize to the team.

O'Neal discussed being present for the Saints' meeting last Thursday on TNT. He said he wouldn't discuss his message to the Saints out of respect to coach Sean Payton's wishes. He did, however, discuss how Brees' apology was accepted by his teammates.

"They said, 'Drew, we know your character. We know you stepped in some stuff that you can't get out of, but guess what: We want you to do more positive things and less talking.' And they all said we accept your apology," O'Neal said.

One Saints player told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler that he didn't know O'Neal was addressing the team until the end of the call and thought it was a surprise by Payton.

"He started speaking and I was like, 'Oh, s---, it's Shaq,'" the player told Fowler.

Brees apologized twice on social media for his comments, once on Thursday morning before the Saints' meeting and again on Friday evening. He also stood by his apology on Friday night after President Donald Trump wrote that Brees should not have changed his stance.

O'Neal and Bryant, who won three consecutive championships with the Los Angeles Lakers from 2000 to 2002, shared an off-the-court history of bickering through the media that was fueled during O'Neal's last season with the Lakers in 2004, when they jockeyed for position as the franchise's next cornerstone. Years later, the pair patched things up. When Bryant died earlier this year in a helicopter crash, O'Neal became emotional and remembered the "special relationship" he had with Bryant.

O'Neal's comments in the Saints' meeting were first reported by NBC Sports.

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So much for any lingering animosity. Sorry to disappoint. :D

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Shannon Sharpe reflects on phone call with Drew Brees

New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees went through a whirlwind of attention last week after speaking out against peaceful protests during the national anthem before NFL games, with retired Super Bowl champion and Fox Sports 1 host Shannon Sharpe among the loudest voices condemning Brees before he issued a public apology and backtracked on his stance.

Sharpe was an outspoken critic of Brees’ first remarks, using his platform on Fox Sports 1 to lambaste Brees for missing the point of protests during the national anthem while also, in a hotter take, calling for his retirement.

It left an impression on Brees, who reached out days later to speak with Sharpe over a phone call. The pair were able to talk things out in a lengthy conversation, which Sharpe described in another television spot.

“I said ‘Drew, for one second we didn’t want you to be Drew Brees, we wanted you to be one of us. We wanted you to ask yourself what if that was your brother [killed in police custody], your uncle, your father,'” Sharpe said during a Monday appearance on FS1. “What hurt the most is that it came from you. No white quarterback in the history of the NFL has had black support like you.”

Sharpe elaborated on his criticism of Brees’ initial stance, which you can find where we’ve embedded it below or by following this link. But the Saints’ face of the franchise changed his perspective after days of dialogue with his teammates, and has remained steadfast even when called out by President Donald Trump.

It’s been one of the more surprising storylines of the 2020 Saints offseason, but the capacity for growth Brees has shown — and the support his actions have earned from the rest of the locker room — speak volumes. These galvanizing moments could pay off when the Saints run into more adversity once the season starts.

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This is what I was talking about. Some of you can only see doom and gloom, but this whole episode can make the team stronger. This shows that not everyone is close-minded and oblivious to change.

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Some people are just angry and unhappy with Drew's apology. That's their right. This sounds more antagonistic than trying to help move forward the narrative. If someone sincerely apologizes for past wrongs I have always forgiven them! The rest of the world needs to learn to cooperate and work things out. Too bad we can't have a meeting of all colors and let an intelligent man be mediator and make these written rules to follow. Then we wouldn't have to learn our values from our parents and we can move forward unified.

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Who is Malik Jackson?

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Someone looking for attention?

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We have a winner!!

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Doubt he get close enough to Brees in week 14 to have opinion heard.

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I may be in the minority here but I find repeating an act of perceived tragedy appalling and reprehensible.

A black man dies while a cop had his knee on his neck for 9 minutes.

• Should I stand in the shape of a "T" in front of an atheist to honor Christianity?
  
• Hold two fingers to my head to promote suicide awareness?
  
• 'Pour one out' as an homage to alcohol abuse?

FFS messaging matters.

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It's a fact of life that some Americans are still stuck in the past and are racists who pass their values onto their children. Unfortunately, these are the ones getting all the media attention.

The next time you see a car broken down and people are jumping out to help push the vehicle I want you to notice that they are usually black people stopping to lend a hand.

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Wearing African tribal garb for a photo-op. Isn't that cultural appropriation? Where is the outrage? That's worse that Trump holding up a Bible..at least he's Christian.

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He never needed to apologize to anyone in the first place.
bunch of fascist racists.

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True Dat! :bng:

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No. He never needed to apologize, but he did after discussing the issues and coming to a new understanding of the gesture and what it truly expressed.

I've been there and done that. I felt the exact same way at first, but after talking with several friends I also completely changed my viewpoint.

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Actions speak louder than words. Anyone who believes this isn't accepting to reality.

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LOL

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sad day in America, when you have to apologize for respecting the Flag of
my country.
They make millions of dollars to play a game.
Nobody's going to bother anyone if they dont cause trouble.
Nobody owes anyone anything.
There is no wall prohibiting anyone from leaving America.
Make your own fortune or be your own Curse.
After carefully reconsidering their viewpoint and feelings,
F*ck them.

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He never apologized for respecting the flag. He apologized because he failed to recognize the cause behind the gesture. You can do both. I know because I do.

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He didn't "fail" to recognize the cause behind the "gesture". The cause is based on a lie, first of all. But, for the sake of brevity, let's skip that part and assume that the cause was ever rooted in reality. The "gesture" was disrespectful. When the PA announcer says "everyone, please rise for the national anthem" and you sit on the bench, or take a knee, or turn your back (all of these things were done) you aren't fooling anyone with a brain that you are doing anything other than spiting the flag to show your disdain.

Everyone understood this, even though some tried to justify it, they knew what it was about. And, again, putting aside the fact that "systemic racism" is a total lie, if they wanted to protest, that was a poor time to do it. These are millionaires getting ready to play a game in front of thousands of fans who poured their hearts into their teams, and these guys picked THAT time to make their demonstrations of disgust for the very country which has afforded them the freedom to play a game and make a fortune.

Drew understood this, as well. But, suddenly, when the political climate heated up, the players became completely intolerant of Drew's opinion that protesting during the anthem was the wrong way to go. The players say it's not about the flag, but they won't protest at any other time. That is horse crap, and anyone who is remotely honest about it knows that.

Your personal story of flipping your stance is not necessarily surprising. There are certain people who I'd expect to do whatever makes their seat a little cooler. I thought Drew had a little more integrity, but apparently it was more important to patch things up and continue playing football, without worrying about whether or not his linemen would block for him.

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Quite the contrary, in an area full of bigoted rednecks my corrected stance makes my seat quite a bit hotter. But, as you can see, a little bit of heat never bothered me. You see, being open-minded is a positive trait. But, I guess you don't need that since you have this amazing ability to read minds and know exactly what someone is thinking. You are going to believe what you want to believe and nothing will get in the way of that.

That why I mentioned the old saying earlier, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out!" It means you are going to think or do whatever you want so go for it. No amount of logic will change your mind.

:D

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These supposed "bigoted rednecks" probably have no idea who you are, or what you believe, and don't particularly care. It's the people who supposedly "changed your mind" who you obviously are in contact with enough for them to talk you into "changing" your mind. The seat is always hotter with those you are most closely associated with, should they disagree with your point of view.

Also, there is a world of difference between being "open-minded" in the liberal sense you are parroting, which is to accept whatever narrative you are spoon fed by the political culture; and having a rational mind that follows facts and common sense.

And, no, the phrase you used does not mean "you're going to think or do whatever you want, so go for it". It means "get out, and don't stop on the way". It's merely further indication of your condescending, self-righteous "superfan" attitude that you lord over people. It's not a complicated thing to understand. But, you'll spin anything.

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That's the way it has always been used where I was raised. But, you are sure to take it as you wish. So be it.

As for my circle of acquaintances, it is very diversified. Even within our Sunday school class (60+ pretty regular members) it ranges from extremely liberal to stanch conservatives. Albeit, the vast majority are nearer to the middle. Our teacher is a longtime basketball coach so we occasionally get off on tough topics such as this. Our conversations have most recently been shifted to facebook where I am friends with most of them. I've brought my "conversion" up in these conversations.

And "open-minded" in the sense I am using it is defined as - "the willingness to search actively for evidence against one's favored beliefs, plans, or goals, and to weigh such evidence fairly when it is available." That has no liberal or conservative connotations. It requires honest open-mindedness to be able to change one's mind.

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I'd tell you to look up the definition of the phrase you used to verify that it means exactly what I said it means, but I am certain that you already know. You just pretend to be ignorant when you get caught with your foot in your mouth. That's alright, friend. I get it.

As for the definition you gave for open mindedness, that one is actually correct. However, your application of the term is clearly liberal. Liberals hijack lots of terms that don't mean what they think it means. Because, you see, some of us HAVE bothered to actively search for evidence, fairly, without the use of preconceptions. There are actual facts with statistical analysis, which myself, and several others on here, have displayed COUNTLESS times. Those facts refute the narrative of systemic racism.

It doesn't matter what your friends think, or how they feel. What evidence do THEY actually have to support their claims? None. But you've sided with their emotions. You call that open-minded, I call it willful ignorance.

And as it pertains to the method of protest, regardless of the narrative that drove it, the method was offensive to a lot of people for very valid reasons. The players never gave an adequate explanation as to HOW this was somehow NOT disrespectful toward the flag and the people it represents (which is all of us). They just said "it's not about the flag", and we're supposed to accept that. They say that because of all the backlash they received a couple of years ago. It's a cop out. The "reporters" at CNN say "we're just reporting the news". Are they? Is it POSSIBLE that people LIE when their character and reputation are under attack? Noooo, that never happens.

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Brees and his wife certainly have a right to change their mind and do whatever they want to do, no doubt about it.

But there was a requirement for Brees to apologize for not understanding (death threats?), yet where is the requirement for those that don't bother understanding him? We all want to be fair, right?

You give everything you have for a community and they turn on you faster than you can say "entitlements."

To have a free society, you have to have free speech, and in order to have free speech you have to risk offending someone and being offended in the pursuit of truth.

If you cannot RISK being offended, and require that no one does so means that you aren't concerned with trying to understand anything true in the first place.

You can say "oh well are THEY not practicing their free speech?" Sure, and the free market and their employers can dictate otherwise. And that's the way it should be.

If the owners want competent players, they'll weigh the risk of losing some fans vs. punishing players who could win them games. That's a free market based on competency, and it's far superior to throwing blanket policies and mandates around without any thought to the ripple effects.

Ever heard of Stalin's forced confessions?