Bashing Brooks
 

Look, I defended Brooks for the first 2-3 years he was our starting quarterback. Everyone complained about him and I was always the one blaming the offensive line. As I grew older and more mature, I learned more about football and the responsibilties of each player. I watched Saints games and began getting frustrated with Brooks when I realized how immature he was as a quarterback. Yes, I complain about Brooks. Maybe I complain too much sometimes, but I do wish for him to succeed. I probably also focus more on the negative about Brooks' abilities than the positive. So, I would like to apologize for that.

With that said, this next part shows the true mentality of a Saints fan.

Some time ago, a couple of friends, my dad, and I were tossing around the football in my backyard. One of my friends, as a typical young football fan, belts out "Donovan McNabb!" He then proceeds to take a 3 step drop, side step, and throw the football to another friend. That friend followed in the same fashion by saying "Tom Brady," stepping up and throwing the football to me. Naturally, I say "Favre!" I then proceed to escape the invisible rush, throw off my back foot, and deliver a dead on pass to my father. My father then proceeds to say "Aaron Brooks!" He then pulled his arm back to pass and let it rip...backwards.

We all shared in the laugh.

As my years are progressing as a football fan, I'm beginning to believe Aaron Brooks is actually the leader of this football team. What I mean is the team and Brooks can both be described the same way, extremely talented, but makes dumb and immature mistakes.

I don't know how I truely feel about Brooks. He's the best quarterback on our team and he's our quarterback so I should give him my full support. Its just incredibly hard to do when he continues to make simple mistakes...or what they call in baseball, UNFORCED ERRORS.

I think next week I will try to only focus on the positive things Brooks does. Maybe then I can regain some of that "FAITH."

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Did your dad have that #$@%-eating grin on his face after the throw?

I've always thought that AB chose the proper number for himself...#2...because that's what he plays like...a big 'ol pile of #2. :D


j/k everyone....unwad your panties now.

I myself would be considered a Brooks basher by many -- but in truth I give him a harder time then I would other QB's because of his obvious physical talent and skills. I expect more out of Brooks -- he has the offensive skill players, he has the talent, so why is he so inconsistent. I really think its because of lack of passion throughout the whole game. AB seems to me to go through the motions -- but when we are down and losing he seems to find more passion and heart and plays at another level. Compare that to Favre -- Favre has been known to stink up games at time but the one thing you can never say about him is that he takes some plays for granted. That guy plays his heart out each and every play each and every game. If Brooks did that I think he would be the type of QB he thinks he is.

The Brooks bashing must stop.

He's a young player, with some experience he'll eliminate the rookie mistakes and be the greatest QB in the history of the game.

That was a good laugh.

A big #2 in a black shirt too.

OMG

I didn't think it was that funny.

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Faith is gone, we are on to desperation.

And this thread made me realize the REAL problem. Everyone wants Brooks to step up and be the leader of the team, but in reality the problem is he IS the leader of the team.

How many times have we seen the team pick up on his apathy? How many times have we seen them follow his lead of sloppiness? In stead of marching them onto the field, he leads them in a slow sashay. And it is hard for a team to get fired up to rally and comback from a defecit when you know your QB, the cornerstone of your offense, is wearing clown shoes with cleats.

I am to the point where I really think all the intangibles Brooks brings to the team are all negative. If A Mac or anyone else, really, were under center, I think the team would respond. The QB play might suffer, but the team as a whole, offense or defense, might just rise to the occasion.

Instead of thinking "Brooks effed us again, why try, he'll just do it again if we stop them here. " the defense may get fired up. "The rookie effed up, lets save his bacon and save this game!"

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You're missing the point BoB. To this day I cannot understand why people cannot see the defense and AB are mutually exclusive. It seems like posters of this board allow only two logic conclusions:

1. AB is a problem, therefore the defense is not.
2. The defense is a problem, therefore AB is not.

Both of those ideas are retarded, IMO.

Here's how it works:

Is the defense a problem? Yes.
Is the defense talented? Yes, except maybe at DT and LB.
So who is to blame? 1. Loomis & Co for not drafting/signing talent at DT or LB for 4 years. 2. Venturi, for taking a fairly talented group of guys and making them the worst defense in the league. 3. Haslett, for allowing Venturi to keep his job.

Is AB a problem? Yes.
Is AB talented? Yes.
So who is to blame? 1. AB, for his lack of leadership, mental blunders, etc. 2. Haslett, for stubbornly sticking with AB above all else, no matter what the situation or how poorly he plays. 3. Loomis, for allowing good QBs to leave and not doing anything to remain competitive at QB.

So there you have it. Imagine that - both AB and the defense are problems. Wow.

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I still suspect Benson has a lot to do with Venturi still being DC.

This statement doesn't really support your suggestion since AB is usually at his best when we're down and need a comeback. He has way too many 4th quarter comebacks for this statement to be valid.

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"A QB on avaerage has 2-3 plays a game where it's on him..."

Wow! That is incredible! There is no way you could have been serious when you typed that.

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...now it's a Louisiana thing.

You never fail to amaze me.

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Thats why Mora and the Colts drafted Peyton Manning.

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If you seriously believe that we wouldn't win more games with Peyton Manning at the helm, then nevermind... I don't even have to comment.

That's one way to put it.

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1. I was being sarcastic showing that Mora DID care about quarterback and using that quote is...bologna.

2. A different QB may have scored an additional touchdown in games, yes. Why wouldn't that translate to a win? We have had many close games in the past. Also, a different quarterback might not have turned the ball over as often in his own redzone giving the opposing team's offense 30 yards to pay dirt.

When your quarterback throws the ball away on a two point conversion, you have problems.

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when you're getting blown out though you do things out of desperation and just doing anything... to try something.

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Frankly, most of the turnovers were not a result of us being behind. We got behind because of the turnovers. Get it straight.

Just stop the turnovers in our own red zone and we'd have won more games. Let him keep fumbling 1 yard from us scoring a TD, just stop losing the ball deep in our own territory.

I think Manning could handle that. Same with Montana, Young, Unitas, Dilfer, Green, Delhomme, Palmer, Vick, and a host of others.

BlackonBlack, I believe its obvious by now that you watch a completely different game than most people on this board.

Relax, don't blow a gasket.

BTW, our defense was ranked 11th in in the NFL in 2003, according to ESPN.

And so do I, for exactly the same reason.

If you are playing behind you have to pass more and that also expands int's...

Many times the result for the Saints falling behind was because of turnovers. Sometimes, not even turnovers. Wasted downs hurt the Saints quite a bit when the ball would mysteriously fly backwards out of Brooks' hands. Thats a complete and total waste of a good play because he can't hold on tightly to the ball when he brings his arm back to pass. Its understandable if he makes this mistake once. Its pushing the fact at twice. However, this has been a consistant problem with Brooks. So much of a problem that a Saints' fan on another board has resulted in having an icon of Brooks in passing motion with the football floating around behind him.

Yeah like Deuce fumbling last week.

Since you keep bringing Deuce's fumble up, I have to ask: Are you serious when you comparte Brooks fumbling the ball, untouched, when no one is near him to Deuce getting the ball stripped in a pile of defenders, by a linebacker?

That's a valid question.

He's serious. He really doesn't like Duece and thinks he is a big problem on this team :|

Yes, Deuce fumbles occaisionally. What we have to look at here is unforced errors vs. forced errors. Deuce's fumble in the first pre-season game was a forced error. Brooks loosing his grip on the ball as he's passing is an unforced error.

... comments like this one make fans embrace Deuce:
"I let my teammates down, I let every Saints fan down. It hurts." BTW, I remember that game... everyone who saw Deuce's face after that fumble knows he meant it...

...comments like this one make fans jeer Brooks:
"I am a great QB playing in a mediocre team"

...that some fans not only continue to defend Brooks no matter what, but go as far as downplay or even drag through the mud favorite players past and present in Brooks' defense, makes things worse...

I am a fan of the New Orleans Saints. I am not a fan of Aaron Brooks. The Saints were here before Brooks, and they will be here after Brooks...

...Aaron Brooks is not the New Orleans Saints, I do not have to be loyal to him because he happens to be the current coach's pet QB...

Just trying to get your position straight on this one. You allege there is no difference between fumbling the ball, untouched with no one near you - and fumbling the ball when you're held by two defenders while a third strips the ball?

2003 called...

He said to tell you he's sick of hearing you whine about stuff that Aaron did that year...

How many times LAST YEAR did Brooks fumble the ball with nobody around him?

For The Gambler: How many times did the ball mysteriously fly out of his hands for the last three seasons?

For BlackonBlack: If our turnover ratio was the same as other teams, imagine what it would be if we eliminated all of the unforced errors! If you don't understand the difference between forced and unforced errors, then I really should not continue to debate with you.

OH! Mean-spirited sarcasm! I thought this was a debate. I'm sorry, I can do that version as well. Let's give it a shot, shall we?

"2000 called...

She said get off Brooks' jock - he hasn't played for crap since..."

And yet, the question still stands:

How many times LAST YEAR did Brooks fumble the ball with nobody around him?

And your "question" does nothing to answer the one I posed. Your "question" deflects from answering the one I asked. I asked it of BlackonBlack, as a matter of fact and you chimed in.

Thus, I asked no question of you and am engaged in no debate with you. At least until you started yip-yapping in an obvious attempt to take this discussion to a place that does not belong on this board for mature adults.

I regret having even replied to your nasty jibe above. Nobody's perfect and I make plenty of mistakes. One was sinking to your level.

Sorry, mods. Won't happen again.

Why are you apologizing? I don't see any rules broken.

Anyway, so basically your argument in regards to Aaron's fumbles are based on things that happened in 2003.............whereas your argument in regards to Deuce's fumbles are in regards to 2004, and even as recently as last week??? That's what it looks like.



If you're going to make a quote, at least get the quote right:

I seem to remember it being along the lines of: "I am a great QB playing on an inconsistent team"

This could be said for several Saints, right? Last year, Joe Horn was a great WR on an inconsistent team. Last year, Deuce was a great RB on an inconsistent team.

You're trying to put a slant on it which implies that he says he's above all of his teammates, and that he referred to his team as "mediocre". Do not accuse people of saying things unless you are completely certain of the terminology that was actually used.

Did anyone watch Playbook last night? Found their viewpoints concerning the Saints both interesting and suprising.

What were their viewpoints?

They were praising the defense. Yes. The defense. They pulled footage from the final four games, pointed out some strong points for each player, even going so far as to pull Bucs footage for Dwight Smith.
They were not as enthusiastic about the offense. Like I said, I was shocked. Yes, the info they gave is skewed, considering the conditions that surrounded some of those games (ie Atlanta pulling Vick), but suprising, nonetheless.
I won't try and give any specifics, as I cannot quote anyone, word for word, and would hate being hung on specifics.
Sterling went so far as to pick the Saints to win the division.

Gambler, you ask me to "get the quote right" yet you "seem to remember" the quote... maybe you should also get the quote right before using your own memeory to rebut a post...

..in any case, you two wordsmiths (probably just one) know what mediocre means, right??? Mediocre simply means average, ordinary... it's is not an insult, and does not mean "bad"...

whether Brooks called the team "ordinary" or "inconsistent" that is not the point; the point is that he called himself "great"... you never hear Dulymus calling himself great... when he calls himself "great" he's putting himself above the team... that's no slant or spin...



.. in any case, Billy, you are going into my Danno bin.