NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al

Danno · 08-05-2020, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Point me to one thing and I'll go back to being quiet. Show me one instance where police shot an unarmed white guy in the back

On Video, Chicago Police Shoot Man At Grand-State Red Line Station After He Was Moving Between Cars

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago...r-ariel-roman/

Black Cop Shoots Unarmed White Man In Viral Video

https://newsone.com/3906412/black-co...n-viral-video/

Daniel Leetin Shaver of Granbury, Texas was fatally shot by police officer Philip Brailsford in the hallway of a La Quinta Inn & Suites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

saintsfan1976 · 08-06-2020, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Bad actors in uniform need to be stopped. When there are tasers, guns, radio, backup, and an entire force available to you, it's not too much to ask not to mistreat unarmed civilians, especially ones who are cuffed, no matter how they are acting.

SFIAH

This sums it up perfectly in my mind.

Police forces don't need less funding they need more.
- More training
- More qualified people
- More technical skills
- More pay
- More professionals who can approach and handle situations without escalating

Communities need more also.
- Better leaders
- More focused programs
- More accountability for others in individual communities

saintsfan1976 · 08-06-2020, 10:33 AM

I also see the side of officers who are worked to death for minimal pay.

I also empathize with the job itself. One minute you're helping a lost child reunite with a frantic parent, the next you're in danger of losing your life.

There's no other job like it and I believe many of us take that for granted.

pinch · 08-06-2020, 10:37 AM

None of this has anything to do with police brutality. So it's just a distraction from the issue at hand.

And police brutality has nothing to do with giving black people free stuff and preferential treatment. But we all know that's the ultimate goal of 99% of the people pushing for "reform".

vpheughan · 08-06-2020, 11:37 AM

"More than 85% of police contracts in major cities around the country include language limiting oversight or discipline of officers, according to an analysis by Campaign Zero, a criminal justice reform advocacy group."

They act as if they are above the law because in some instances they are.
A little research will reveal many more examples of the ones listed below.

Officers even have been rehired after being fired for high-profile fatal shootings. In Miami, an arbitrator in 2014 ordered the police department to reinstate detective Reynaldo Goyos, who fatally shot an unarmed man in a shooting that a department review board ruled was "unjustified."

In Oakland, officer Hector Jimenez won his job back in arbitration in 2011 after being fired for fatally shooting two unarmed men in separate incidents within a year, shooting one in the back.

pinch · 08-06-2020, 11:41 AM

If the black people want to go to college for free then I'm down with that.

Why not just skip that and give them the best jobs? Even if they're not qualified?

How about we just give the your job since you've treated them so unfairly? Or how about your kids' potential jobs when they get out of college since they were born white?

Rugby Saint II · 08-06-2020, 02:34 PM

I am coming around to the BLM movement. But we have to stop living by double standards with the degrading lyrics of black music. The messages aren't the same as a rock band, country, or Blue grass. Black music glorifies violence. If I'm supposed to change my mind then I need something in return. Change the messages and we can change the culture to a better future for everyone. And quit rioting for God's sake. That is not a good message either.

Bill Cosby was making great strides calling out these bad cultural influences before he went to jail. People were actually listening and discussing his moral views and how to bring the black people up with open and honest discussions.

halloween 65 · 08-06-2020, 03:07 PM

For every action there is a reaction. White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Man, Woman, Child,the list goes on, don't comply with the cops they have the right to use force, and if they have dealings with or have dealt with an individual before they have that right. I'm not a cop fan, never have been, but I'm not an idiot either, I comply, right or wrong, weather I like it or not . Everyone has a choice.

SaintGup · 08-08-2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

This isn't necessarily true. Cops think they are above the law and harass people on a daily basis for whatever reason they want. The age of cell phones has shown that. It has to get boring quite a bit being a cop. They will look for any reason to find someone suspicious.

Yes. Because all cops are like that. All white people are racist and all black people are oppressed. All Asians are good with computers and/or know martial arts. And as for the Dallas Cowboys wanting to put the names of the five cops that were shot dead on their helmets? No way. Not on your life! NFL must be uniform and it can't change. You and those like you are the reason racism will persist. You don't think for yourself, but just follow what is deemed to be acceptable. Are there bad cops? Yes. Are there racist people? Absolutely. But here is the rub; people are allowed to be racist but are NOT entitled to use that against anyone to harm them or discriminate when it comes to employment.
Take this little piece of advice or don't, it matters little to me...
Try and think for yourself, do your research and don't accuse people of the very thing that you are doing, which is judging a group of people based on the actions of a few individuals.

Rugby Saint II · 08-08-2020, 02:01 PM

So that the message is clear let's all agree that Black Lives Matter too!

I know it's not a popular opinion but Police Lives Matter to me.

In every group there are good and bad apples. A small percentage of blacks are trouble makers. And a small percentage of cops are bullies and/or racist. However, I dare you to say that blacks aren't prejudiced more than any other race.

Free education for all blacks is my new motto.

08-05-2020, 10:04 PM	#31
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,653	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Point me to one thing and I'll go back to being quiet. Show me one instance where police shot an unarmed white guy in the back On Video, Chicago Police Shoot Man At Grand-State Red Line Station After He Was Moving Between Cars https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago...r-ariel-roman/ Black Cop Shoots Unarmed White Man In Viral Video https://newsone.com/3906412/black-co...n-viral-video/ Daniel Leetin Shaver of Granbury, Texas was fatally shot by police officer Philip Brailsford in the hallway of a La Quinta Inn & Suites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver SaintFanInATLHELL, saintsfan1976 and ChrisXVI like this.

08-06-2020, 10:17 AM	#32
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,550 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Bad actors in uniform need to be stopped. When there are tasers, guns, radio, backup, and an entire force available to you, it's not too much to ask not to mistreat unarmed civilians, especially ones who are cuffed, no matter how they are acting. SFIAH This sums it up perfectly in my mind. Police forces don't need less funding they need more. - More training - More qualified people - More technical skills - More pay - More professionals who can approach and handle situations without escalating Communities need more also. - Better leaders - More focused programs - More accountability for others in individual communities SaintFanInATLHELL, jnormand, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

08-06-2020, 10:33 AM	#33
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,550 Blog Entries: 3	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al I also see the side of officers who are worked to death for minimal pay. I also empathize with the job itself. One minute you're helping a lost child reunite with a frantic parent, the next you're in danger of losing your life. There's no other job like it and I believe many of us take that for granted. jnormand and OldMaid like this.

08-06-2020, 10:37 AM	#34
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al None of this has anything to do with police brutality. So it's just a distraction from the issue at hand. And police brutality has nothing to do with giving black people free stuff and preferential treatment. But we all know that's the ultimate goal of 99% of the people pushing for "reform". jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-06-2020, 11:37 AM	#35
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,500	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al "More than 85% of police contracts in major cities around the country include language limiting oversight or discipline of officers, according to an analysis by Campaign Zero, a criminal justice reform advocacy group." They act as if they are above the law because in some instances they are. A little research will reveal many more examples of the ones listed below. Officers even have been rehired after being fired for high-profile fatal shootings. In Miami, an arbitrator in 2014 ordered the police department to reinstate detective Reynaldo Goyos, who fatally shot an unarmed man in a shooting that a department review board ruled was "unjustified." In Oakland, officer Hector Jimenez won his job back in arbitration in 2011 after being fired for fatally shooting two unarmed men in separate incidents within a year, shooting one in the back.
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08-06-2020, 11:41 AM	#36
pinch 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Diamondhead, MS Posts: 272 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al If the black people want to go to college for free then I'm down with that. Why not just skip that and give them the best jobs? Even if they're not qualified? How about we just give the your job since you've treated them so unfairly? Or how about your kids' potential jobs when they get out of college since they were born white? jnormand likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,765	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al I am coming around to the BLM movement. But we have to stop living by double standards with the degrading lyrics of black music. The messages aren't the same as a rock band, country, or Blue grass. Black music glorifies violence. If I'm supposed to change my mind then I need something in return. Change the messages and we can change the culture to a better future for everyone. And quit rioting for God's sake. That is not a good message either. Bill Cosby was making great strides calling out these bad cultural influences before he went to jail. People were actually listening and discussing his moral views and how to bring the black people up with open and honest discussions. jnormand likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al For every action there is a reaction. White, Black, Hispanic, Native American, Man, Woman, Child,the list goes on, don't comply with the cops they have the right to use force, and if they have dealings with or have dealt with an individual before they have that right. I'm not a cop fan, never have been, but I'm not an idiot either, I comply, right or wrong, weather I like it or not . Everyone has a choice. SaintGup and Rugby Saint II like this.

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SaintGup 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: London, England Posts: 580	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al Originally Posted by shawnkytonk This isn't necessarily true. Cops think they are above the law and harass people on a daily basis for whatever reason they want. The age of cell phones has shown that. It has to get boring quite a bit being a cop. They will look for any reason to find someone suspicious. Yes. Because all cops are like that. All white people are racist and all black people are oppressed. All Asians are good with computers and/or know martial arts. And as for the Dallas Cowboys wanting to put the names of the five cops that were shot dead on their helmets? No way. Not on your life! NFL must be uniform and it can't change. You and those like you are the reason racism will persist. You don't think for yourself, but just follow what is deemed to be acceptable. Are there bad cops? Yes. Are there racist people? Absolutely. But here is the rub; people are allowed to be racist but are NOT entitled to use that against anyone to harm them or discriminate when it comes to employment. Take this little piece of advice or don't, it matters little to me... Try and think for yourself, do your research and don't accuse people of the very thing that you are doing, which is judging a group of people based on the actions of a few individuals. iceshack149, jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,765	Re: NFL To Allow Players To Wear Helmet Decals For Victims Like George Floyd et al So that the message is clear let's all agree that Black Lives Matter too! I know it's not a popular opinion but Police Lives Matter to me. In every group there are good and bad apples. A small percentage of blacks are trouble makers. And a small percentage of cops are bullies and/or racist. However, I dare you to say that blacks aren't prejudiced more than any other race. Free education for all blacks is my new motto.