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Did anyone here see during thursday's game when they put up that stat, that only 2 players in the NFL had threw for 20+ TD's, and 3500+ yds the past 4 seasons. That's right our "crapy" QB was one of em. AB and Peyton Manning. Oh yea, he also ranks 3rd in concecitive games as a starter. Then they said AB and J Horn ranks 3rd in QB to WR TD's, only 1 behind Cullpepper and Moss. Its hard to beleive after all that, everyone still blames AB for us being a subpar team.

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Yeah, I saw that. I was a little surprised when I heard it.

They didn't factor in interceptions, fumbles, passwer rating, red zone efficiency, and dumb plays though. That's what kills Brooks in a lot of people's books. If you just look at the total yards, he looks awfully impressive.

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... did anyone here see during Thursday's game when they put up that stat, that the New Orleans Saints were the only team in 2004 not to score a single point in any one of their opening drives? Or how they got outscore by like a gazillion points to 20 in the 1st quarter?

Thought AB played well Thursday, but did anyone hear Joe Buck and Troy Aikman point out that since the Saints played from behing all last year, that AB's stats were inflated?

How many times have people said that exact same thing on this board, only to be called haters?

Why is everyone now-a-days so concerned and hung up on stats? We all know they're flawed...atleast, I hope we all do. Stats are only good for fantasy football. I wish they could incorporate the Unforced Error statistic into football. Maybe that would make stats for individual players more accurate?

Brooks inconsistency and inflated stats is one of the most consistent thoughts about a single player on a fan forums around the league .

This post is from a Panther Board , but it usually reads the same with the name Griese , Delhomme or Vick as the top quarterback .....

I wonder how long it will take for us to score on our opening drive this year

We did it in Foxboro. I take that as a good sign.

Yeah, we did score on our opening drive.....after Dwight Smith gave us a short field to work with.

It would be great to see them take their opening drive against Carolina 65 or 70 yards for a TD.

WELL IMAGINE THAT!!! Someone from a PANTHERS board saying JAKE is the best!!!! I'D HAVE NEVER GUESSED IT!!!

This might come as a shock to some of you guys....but not every NFL fan critiques their QBs beyond reason, wishes injury on him, and goes out of their way to bash him at every turn (even if it means spreading information that isn't quite accurate).

Personally, I commend that Panthers fan for sticking up for his quarterback.

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Oh yea, I guess that was all AB's fault too. (could'nt of been our predictibilty, or all our pre snap penelties, or our sorry line). I dont get you haters, we got a killer QB (prob the best since Archie) and all ya'll do is HATE. Plus, even the year Deuce ran for over 1600 yds, AB still had 24 tds and only 8 ints, so how could his stats be inflated with a running game like that ? (someone will find a reason im sure)

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Should have been a touchdown not a field goal after the interception.... A think scoring on the first drive is a TOUCHDOWN not a field goal..... i mean im tired of us kickin field goals all the time .. its time to turn the field goals in to touchdowns....

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Well no doubt, of course. I'd love to see more touchdowns after turnovers.

But don't disregard the obvious here - we sucked throughout first quarters pretty much all of last year. But THIS time, we kept up for the most part -- scored early, scored often. Really, that's not a bad turnaround, considering where we were last year.

Even if they were field goals instead of touchdowns.

You are correct, because not every NFL has a fumbling bafoon, who needs to break a leg sometime SOON (Not to mention that he is ugly and so is his mama). Just us Saints Fans. Okay, probably Baltimore too. But neither Kyle Boller, nor his lovely mother, are ugly.

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You are damned right I found a reason. Try 14 fumbles, 11 of which were lost.

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Hate?!?!? Lil' too strong a word there... actually, it is sort of amusing to see the "support" of some fans towards Brooks... you have no issue calling the o-line "sorry... What, aren't you a an of the Saints? Why the hate towards the o-line? How sorry can the o-line be if Brooks is putting such great numbers?? Oh, yeah, it's the greatness that is Brooks at QB... :)

... so the original post showed some stats comparing the numbers of certain QB's.. so what? Stats are for baseball and fantasy football... what's the implication of comparing the stats of Peyton Manning with those of Brooks? That Brooks compares to Manning as a QB? Brooks is not even close to being the QB that Manning is, and will never be... Brooks cannot even top Vick, and Vick is not a good QB; he can't top Delhomme, and Delhomme ain't exactly Tom Brady;


.. so stop hating on the o-line and the defense... support your team!!!!!!!

This whole thing started when a Panthers fan praised Jake....and I chimed in that I enjoyed seeing a fan actually get behind their QB, which is something that not every fan does. So you say WELL NOT EVERY TEAM HAS A FUMBLING BAFOON FOR A QB.


The uneducated fan....that would make a great documentary title for A & E. Let's look at both JAKE and Aaron:


2003:

Brooks:

Fumbles--14 total, 11 lost (agreed, this was bad...it was also 2 years ago)

Interceptions-- 8

Total turnovers combined: 19


Delhomme:

Fumbles-- 15 total, 6 lost

Interceptions: 16

Total turnovers combined: 22


2004:

Brooks:

Fumbles--13 total, 2 lost

Interceptions-- 16

Total turnovers combined: 18


Delhomme:

Fumbles-- 12 total, 5 lost

Interceptions: 15

Total turnovers combined: 20


CONCLUSION: In 2004, Aaron actually had 3 less lost fumbles than Jake.

Both years, Aaron has had less total turnovers than Jake.


Now....are you going to continue living in the past and continue to look stupid, or do you plan to learn, grow and prosper?

I'm speechless... was that even necessary?

I think AB has only had a fumbling problem that one yr (2003), and i think he's taken care of that. (2004 could've had something to do with us having a new center) (and i think that will be better this yr too). The O-Line should be better also, (as far as me hating on the o-line, V Riley just went down hill and L Bentley moving to center could've been the reason for the bad play.)
Reading this and some other topic's on this site, its easy to see why we have such a bad home record,
its cause everyone has such negativity, The bottom line is, when ur down by 17 in the 4th, its up to us to cheer on the QB the O-line the Defense and let them know we still have there back, Its up to us to pump them up and fill them with positivity. So im gonna quit talking bad about anything our TEAM has done, and cheer all them for what there gonna do this yr. Is everyone with me

Good post, NateDogg.


Yeah it was. When someone refers to Brooks as a "fumbling baffoon", they'd better be ready to back it up with statistics that come from more than one year.

He may have improved his numbers a bit, but its still a problem. He fumbled on a crucial third down play versus the Patriots. It killed a potential touchdown drive.

I remember that, talk about rotten timing. Though I'll admit he's improved, he's still fumbling too much for my liking.

I know it was two years ago. The fumble quote was in reply to how AB did the season Deuce had a 1600 yard season. That was two years ago, which is why I responded with 2 year old stats...

Yeah, JD has more turnovers than AB. That still doesnt make AB the better QB.

And for the record, I dont live in the past. I live in the make-believe world where Haz sat Brooks' butt down at the half in the Browns game, or the Cincinatti game, or the Vikings game, or the Carolina game, or all of the above, and we went to the playoffs.

Dont be trying to burst my bubble just because you are jealous of the wonderful fantasy land I live in, where I dont have to deal with your grubby ass QB.

ROFL... If you look up, floating right over your head is the answer to why I said that.

See, first I critiqued Brooks beyond reason... Then I wished injury upon him, and then I went out of my way to bash him (And his ugly mama too). Seriously, that was about as subtle as a hammer to the face... I figured you would pick up on it.