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jeanpierre 08-20-2020 08:27 AM

Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 

K Major 08-20-2020 08:37 AM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
I don't think Tre will lose his job in New Orleans, however he clearly has room to improve.

Anyone who blocks well will have a place on Sean Payton's team.

Beastmode 08-20-2020 09:21 AM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
Suppose to be a jump ball guru. Straight up route running he could totally get beat out by a couple receivers.

jeanpierre 08-20-2020 03:43 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 894268)
Suppose to be a jump ball guru. Straight up route running he could totally get beat out by a couple receivers.

You know Beast, understand there's chatter about that, including draft hype from Payton on local TV, but in Tre'Quan's scouting reports, that was among some of the red flags...

SmashMouth 08-20-2020 05:26 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
TreQ should've stepped up by now. This ain't high school no more. There is a reason we went after Sanders. He makes the team this year, but next year, likely not if he keeps up this kind of performance.

Rugby Saint II 08-20-2020 05:41 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
Here we go again with Payton moving players to a new position. He moved him from outside to inside where he played so well when we drafted him. No wonder he's struggling. Square peg meet round hole.

AsylumGuido 08-20-2020 05:51 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 894301)
Here we go again with Payton moving players to a new position. He moved him from outside to inside where he played so well when we drafted him. No wonder he's struggling. Square peg meet round hole.

WR's better be able to swing through all positions or they are not going to fit in our offense. There is one position for WR in the Saints ultimate offense and that is the X, Y, Z, slot, whatever. If you can't cut them all you are a weak link.

jeanpierre 08-20-2020 06:23 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 894303)
WR's better be able to swing through all positions or they are not going to fit in our offense. There is one position for WR in the Saints ultimate offense and that is the X, Y, Z, slot, whatever. If you can't cut them all you are a weak link.

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Sean Payton is definitely House Loki - It's all about MisDirection...

His players are faster, get separation, always seem to beat their man to a spot because he's got defenses thinking, slowing them down to counter for anything...

Saints' offense attacks in multiple ways out of the same sets, so right off, Payton's always taking away nearly all pre-snap reads...

But when defenses know a WR can only run one or two routes (e.g. Ted Ginn, Tre'Quan Smith), they can sit in zones and set up to trap Brees' throws on time...

WRs in a Saints' offense have more responsibilities (e.g. pre-snap reads, initial snap adjustments, blocking) than in most other conventional offenses...

While you could argue we don't have the most physically talented receivers, we usually have the smartest, most prepared, most disciplined wide receivers in the league...

jeanpierre 08-21-2020 11:25 AM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 

jeanpierre 08-21-2020 12:49 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 

K Major 08-21-2020 02:34 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
Footnote on Tre ...

A reporter stated that Tre is having good practices however he doesn't really play with a sense of trying to embarrass a defender on a play (see Mike Thomas/Sanders/Harris) during one on one drills . TH has the tools, but not that dawg mentality.

Possibly a confidence concern here.

Something worth keeping an eye one.

AsylumGuido 08-21-2020 04:17 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 894361)
Footnote on Tre ...

A reporter stated that Tre is having good practices however he doesn't really play with a sense of trying to embarrass a defender on a play (see Mike Thomas/Sanders/Harris) during one on one drills . TH has the tools, but not that dawg mentality.

Possibly a confidence concern here.

Something worth keeping an eye one.

Year three has historically been the year that WR's "get it" ... if they are going to get it. WR is also the position that is the riskiest as far as success is concerned in the NFL. Confidence goes both ways. I'm not sure the team has honestly gained enough confidence in Tre'quan for his position to be totally safe.

I'm crossing my fingers, but I think he has something to prove quickly and this is not the ideal environment.

Rugby Saint II 08-27-2020 01:47 PM

Re: Barry Hirstius: TRE’QUAN IN TROUBLE? Saints Receiver Competition Could Go “Down to the Wire”
 
Some people take longer than others to pick up the total concept of playing their position. MT was trained from birth by his uncle Keyshawn Johnson to understand the intricacies of the wide receiver position and excel. Quite a few football players were coaches sons and had a head start on the competition from a knowledge point of view. Coaching and preparing players is what a good coach does. Our old coaching staff is an excellent example of how not to coach as compared to their replacements.

No one knows anything about rugby before they step on a pitch. My job as a coach is to get them up to speed as quickly as possible. I coach to the player but i make them fit my system so everyone is on the same page. Some people pick up the concept quickly while others may take several seasons to get it down.


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