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SmashMouth 08-25-2020 05:59 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Know Drew had that terrible interception in the red zone vs the Vikes, but I put that one on Payton...

Really, Really believe Brees was as surprised as anyone he was going back in when Taysom and Latavius were absolutely trucking that Vikes D when, Payton gets in the Double Reverse Mode, and Brees went back in...

There was confusion with the play and personnel coming in and, voila, interception...

Payton. Sean Payton should have stay with the power game and destroyed the Vikes' will at that point of the game...

Payton. The choking starts at the top, and Payton has got to place himself on the hotseat and then he'll get that real fear back and then the Saints will be even better than 2009-10...

He's got too much job security, and that's why we've bungled...
True... He bungled the last three opportunities to make the big dance.

The Dude 08-25-2020 06:56 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 894638)
True... He bungled the last three opportunities to make the big dance.
Offensive line didn’t help but you guys have a solid point. Stick with the hot hand.

K Major 08-25-2020 08:00 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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He's got too much job security, and that's why we've bungled...
Or too much power perhaps?

Sean P doesn't answer to anyone really ... I mean no one will really questions (except the Butcher at Whole Foods :rolleyes:) his decisions. Not even his assistant coaches.

There is no way Brees, a soon to be first ballot Hall of Famer should exit left with only 1 Lombardi on his mantle. As Saints fans, do we want to win 11, 12 regular season games again this year or compete for titles in late January?

It has become apparent that we aren't closers.

AsylumGuido 08-25-2020 08:25 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Or too much power perhaps?

Sean P doesn't answer to anyone really ... I mean no one will really questions (except the Butcher at Whole Foods :rolleyes:) his decisions. Not even his assistant coaches.

There is no way Brees, a soon to be first ballot Hall of Famer should exit left with only 1 Lombardi on his mantle. As Saints fans, do we want to win 11, 12 regular season games again this year or compete for titles in late January?

It has become apparent that we aren't closers.
31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.

jeanpierre 08-25-2020 08:32 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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31 teams EVERY year aren't closers. It take a great deal of luck to win it all. We have competed for a championship each of the past three seasons and should have another chance this year. Where's that coach that will guarantee us the championship? Belechick hasn't won it every time even when handed to them on a platter.
I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?

AsylumGuido 08-25-2020 08:36 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 894646)
I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?
We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away.

AsylumGuido 08-25-2020 08:39 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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I'd like to have seen what Belichick would've done with Brees; know Payton doesn't win a Superbowl with Brady, despite my respect for Brady after beating the ATL in the Tournament...

Belichick has always had great personnel people around him, asked tough questions, trusted their guidance; we've only had Ireland four years, but is Payton listening?
How do you know Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl with Brady? The Patriots have been given a free ride to the Bowl for the past two decades. With that weak assed division they were guaranteed a first or second seed every year.

jeanpierre 08-25-2020 08:47 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 894648)
We can't get Belechick. Name the coach that you feel would be an immediate upgrade to Payton and give us continued future success including guaranteed Lombardi's. If you can I'll jump onboard right away.
It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably...

That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years...

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it...

jeanpierre 08-25-2020 08:50 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 894649)
How do you know Payton doesn't win a Super Bowl with Brady? The Patriots have been given a free ride to the Bowl for the past two decades. With that weak assed division they were guaranteed a first or second seed every year.
Lot of respect for Brady, but he's not Drew Brees; I'll say it again, as I'm not so proud not to admit I was wrong...

Brees was right to ask for all the coin he had because his effort, Brees himself, overcomes the shortcomings of others that are part of this team...

Bought into the BS that Brees was a system quarterback in Payton's system, now know Brees is the system...

And Payton had enough to recognize it and has built the system around Brees because of Brees' talent, leadership...

Brees' Leadership is what this team needs...

AsylumGuido 08-25-2020 08:52 AM
Re: Malcolm Jenkins thinks Saints are 'closer' after Brees' comments
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 894651)
It's more about what KMajor is alluding, he's got too much sway in personnel decisions and he doesn't have the best GM (Loomis), nor VP Free Agent Talent (Fontenot) - these are the areas we've failed miserably...

That going all in mode, especially in the draft, has not worked in four years...

You know what saw the best improvement, when Ireland first arrived and we trusted the draft process and we made moves for add'l draft picks, not traded them away willy-nilly on players that aren't durable...

And well-run corporation has power distributed amongst competent people and right not, that front office needs some work and redistributing of authority, and Kmajor called it...
So. Where do you rank the Saints as a roster from top to bottom compared to all the other teams in the league? Most pundits have them at or near the top. That doesn't sound like too bad of a job in personnel acquisition, does it? Once again, is Payton perfect? Hell, no. Are there better options out there? I seriously doubt it. We've become extremely spoiled, JP. We are not that far removed from a lifetime of mediocrity and total suckage.


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