And, as far as how I feel about Payton?

Feel he's gotten too comfortable because of the tenure the team has extended him and because he's got a yes-man in Mickey Loomis he's got to answer...

Kinda like Rocky getting all civilized, that's why younger, hungrier teams have come up and smack the Saints in the mouth...

Payton should be on a 2 and 1 year contract, renegotiated every third year based on team and his performance...

Start with expanding past Pat Kirwan and NewOrleansSaints.com...

Don't worry, I have been expanded WELL past Kirwan and NewOrleanSaints.com. The only time I reference the latter is if it is one of the search results from twitter, Facebook, or in any number of sports news feeds that I use. We also appear to have quite few few overlapping sources which is why you have already posted articles by the time I come here to post the very same ones myself.

And Pat Kirwan is only one of dozens of NFL Radio hosts and guests that I listen to daily for all sorts of insights. They include several of those sources that you listed, by the way. I am very familiar with all the rest, but have little interest in draft detail which is where most of their expertise lies. I understand that it is a major part of your enjoyment of NFL, but the opinions vary widely upon what is and isn't a successful draft and how you can't even evaluate one until several years later without going off anything but speculation, regardless of how much study is involved.

It is clear that most of your displeasure with Payton stems from your love of the personnel side of the game and how his philosophy does not align with your own or apparently that of some of your personal cohorts. You cannot deny that he has a brilliant offensive mind and is one of the best playcallers in the game today. All of his gametime decisions may not be perfect, but name a single head coach that never gets second guessed by his fan base or the media. The great Belechick actually gets called out as much as any other, but it is usually just blown off as Bill being Bill.

But they're far and away the only ones you cite in your posts...

They're #MSM #CorporateNews and they get their stories right off press releases from the NFL offices and Saints offices (Greg Bensel/Sean Payton)...

There's a lot of objectivity missing in that news...

Having multiple news sources and not just dismissing them under some label is quite healthy...

They are not the ONLY ones that I quote in my posts. There is quite a bit of good football knowledge that comes from ex-coaches and GM's on NFL Radio, as well as ones still in the game - including Gil Brandt. As I said, I share whatever I can find regardless of source. Quite often what I come across is something you have already posted. Actually, most often. And if there happens to be something you post that I have not come across yet I'll read it from your post.

So, unless you are being stingy and not sharing info with your friends here then I am accessing everything that you are accessing.

But ... again ...

Who, that is/was available, would have led the Saints to more success than Payton and/or who should replace him today to guarantee more success in the future ... if you feel he definitely needs replaced today?

There's too much power in one man's hands in that organization (Payton); we need a GM with veto powers who can check Payton on personnel and moves and have the same level of job security...

You see, you're thinking in linear fashion, as in who could replace Payton and be more effective...

Think outside the box and listen to what's been said by not only me, or others here...

There's too much power in one man's hands in that organization (Payton); we need a GM with veto powers who can check Payton on personnel and moves and have the same level of job security...

Also, there needs to be the same level of accountability and the legit fear that if you're not getting the job done, you can lose your job - it's an incredible motivational factor in most folks' lives - Payton could use it...

Right here.

This is a little off topic but didn't Greg Williams have a clause in his contract while in NO where he could run the defense in the manner in which he wanted to? No outside input from others, including the HC?

I recall reading this either in Sports Illustrated or Football insiders a while back.

Right here.

This is a little off topic but didn't Greg Williams have a clause in his contract while in NO where he could run the defense in the manner in which he wanted to? No outside input from others, including the HC?

I recall reading this either in Sports Illustrated or Football insiders a while back.