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WhoDat · 08-24-2005, 12:50 PM

What's illogical and retarded about it? If we hired a coordinator that lit up his assigned unit, who do you think will get more respect from the players, that coach or Jim Haslett? In my mind, that coach. If that coordinator goes to Benson and says Haslett is holding this team back, and his unit achieved results not seen here, who do you think will be the new coach?

I feel fairly confident that if a coordinator spoke out of school in this organization he would be fired.

I also think that a coordinator who faired well wouldn't dislike Haslett, b/c I think Haslett would shut up and listen. I still maintain that virtually all of the Saints' early successes under Haslett were a result of Ron Zook - who Haslett did listen to and who was more respected by the players.

papz · 08-24-2005, 12:59 PM

... Zook as well as Bunting. Our defense started to decline when Bunting left for North Carolina. Haslett, Zook, and Bunting was a good team... too bad we're stuck with Venturi.

saintswhodi · 08-24-2005, 01:03 PM

That's just it. Any coordinator who isn't happy to just have a job WOULD speak up. Why would Haslett bring in someone like that when he can just keep the guys he knows aren't going anywhere until he goes, and are under his toe? To bring in someone from the outside to lead a unit, means the things you have been doing here weren't working. If that unit turns around, as long as Haslett has been here already, you don't think there would still be calls for his head? Headlines: Why didn't he do this years ago? Why couldn't Haz see the problem? What did this new coordinator bring from OUTSIDE the org that Haz couldn't find inside? Could this new coordinator effect the whole team should he take over as head coach? And that would be mid-season. Etc, etc. Haz has had 5 years with his people to get it right. Why would he ever bring in someone from outside who actually may get it right, and be a slap right in his face? Now you may be right that Haslett may shetup and listen, but that still won't stop, fans and the media from calling Haz out for the 4 years of failure we have had to endure. Plus, Haz obviously would rather stick with the guys he knows, rather than go a new route with someone he doesn't.

yasoon · 08-24-2005, 01:43 PM

I think alot of it stems from Loomis possibly deferring to Haslett. Loomis is the cap guy and he consults Haz on football decisions. Therefore, Haz creates his own environment. The GM is almost a two headed monster of an accountant and a LB

I really felt like outside help on the OC side was necessary to light a fire under AB's butt. Now it's just like...what's up shep? Like they have this familiarity with one another and AB will continue to play the same.

I think if the Saints win the South this year, it's in spite of the coaching in alot of ways. But, a playoff berth will buy Haz 5 more years. You can count on that.

saintswhodi · 08-24-2005, 03:09 PM

I agree with you yas. If nothing else, an outside coordinator should have been brought in for the offense. I knew once the Minnesota game was over, and we gave up 600 something yards of offense, and Haz PRAISED Venturi after the game for his defensive coahcing, I knew Venturi wasn't going anywhere. The four game win streak, which I wished never happened at the end of the season, solidified his and Haz jobs. And you are right. If we make the playoffs, which will be despite coaching, Haz will get to sit fat for several more years. Sad but true.

WhoDat · 08-25-2005, 12:12 PM

Whodi is turning into 08. Conspiracy theories abound!

saintswhodi · 08-25-2005, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

Whodi is turning into 08. Conspiracy theories abound!

Naw, I just wanted to propose that one.

Also, I wanted to tell you you were right about that Joe Horn contract thing. After the first three years, we can cut him with minimal loss as the end of his deal is tied up with a high base salary which we can get rid of by cutting him. Been meaning to tell you that. Now if he starts declining within the next 3 years, we have to still keep him until the 4th before being able to cut him with minimal penalty.

WhoDat · 08-25-2005, 01:04 PM

He's worth it for the next few years.

NOLAmite · 08-25-2005, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by CHACHING

I made the bet Sunday...at the VENETIAN.........

46 to one for NFC championship.........(i bet em all)
I think Cesars had us 80 to 1...

I have a ticket from NY/NY from June 17th thats 35/1 for the saints to win the NFC Championship...

I guess we're looking worse to vegas now than we were during the off season...

saintswhodi · 08-25-2005, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat

He's worth it for the next few years.

Well, we will definitely have the chance to find out.

08-24-2005, 12:50 PM	#21
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	What's illogical and retarded about it? If we hired a coordinator that lit up his assigned unit, who do you think will get more respect from the players, that coach or Jim Haslett? In my mind, that coach. If that coordinator goes to Benson and says Haslett is holding this team back, and his unit achieved results not seen here, who do you think will be the new coach? I feel fairly confident that if a coordinator spoke out of school in this organization he would be fired. I also think that a coordinator who faired well wouldn't dislike Haslett, b/c I think Haslett would shut up and listen. I still maintain that virtually all of the Saints' early successes under Haslett were a result of Ron Zook - who Haslett did listen to and who was more respected by the players.
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08-24-2005, 01:43 PM	#24
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I think alot of it stems from Loomis possibly deferring to Haslett. Loomis is the cap guy and he consults Haz on football decisions. Therefore, Haz creates his own environment. The GM is almost a two headed monster of an accountant and a LB I really felt like outside help on the OC side was necessary to light a fire under AB's butt. Now it's just like...what's up shep? Like they have this familiarity with one another and AB will continue to play the same. I think if the Saints win the South this year, it's in spite of the coaching in alot of ways. But, a playoff berth will buy Haz 5 more years. You can count on that.
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat Whodi is turning into 08. Conspiracy theories abound! Naw, I just wanted to propose that one. Also, I wanted to tell you you were right about that Joe Horn contract thing. After the first three years, we can cut him with minimal loss as the end of his deal is tied up with a high base salary which we can get rid of by cutting him. Been meaning to tell you that. Now if he starts declining within the next 3 years, we have to still keep him until the 4th before being able to cut him with minimal penalty.

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08-24-2005, 12:59 PM	#22
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,754	... Zook as well as Bunting. Our defense started to decline when Bunting left for North Carolina. Haslett, Zook, and Bunting was a good team... too bad we're stuck with Venturi.

08-24-2005, 01:03 PM	#23
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	That's just it. Any coordinator who isn't happy to just have a job WOULD speak up. Why would Haslett bring in someone like that when he can just keep the guys he knows aren't going anywhere until he goes, and are under his toe? To bring in someone from the outside to lead a unit, means the things you have been doing here weren't working. If that unit turns around, as long as Haslett has been here already, you don't think there would still be calls for his head? Headlines: Why didn't he do this years ago? Why couldn't Haz see the problem? What did this new coordinator bring from OUTSIDE the org that Haz couldn't find inside? Could this new coordinator effect the whole team should he take over as head coach? And that would be mid-season. Etc, etc. Haz has had 5 years with his people to get it right. Why would he ever bring in someone from outside who actually may get it right, and be a slap right in his face? Now you may be right that Haslett may shetup and listen, but that still won't stop, fans and the media from calling Haz out for the 4 years of failure we have had to endure. Plus, Haz obviously would rather stick with the guys he knows, rather than go a new route with someone he doesn't.

08-24-2005, 03:09 PM	#25
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	I agree with you yas. If nothing else, an outside coordinator should have been brought in for the offense. I knew once the Minnesota game was over, and we gave up 600 something yards of offense, and Haz PRAISED Venturi after the game for his defensive coahcing, I knew Venturi wasn't going anywhere. The four game win streak, which I wished never happened at the end of the season, solidified his and Haz jobs. And you are right. If we make the playoffs, which will be despite coaching, Haz will get to sit fat for several more years. Sad but true.

08-25-2005, 01:35 PM	#29
NOLAmite Registered Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 70	Originally Posted by CHACHING I made the bet Sunday...at the VENETIAN......... 46 to one for NFC championship.........(i bet em all) I think Cesars had us 80 to 1... I have a ticket from NY/NY from June 17th thats 35/1 for the saints to win the NFC Championship... I guess we're looking worse to vegas now than we were during the off season...
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08-25-2005, 02:32 PM	#30
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by WhoDat He's worth it for the next few years. Well, we will definitely have the chance to find out.