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K Major 09-12-2020 12:03 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
If I had a guess, I see Ramz getting serious money later and Lattimore getting the franchise tag.

A guess.

jeanpierre 09-12-2020 01:27 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Still surprised Kamara got more than McCaffrey, as McCaffrey has been more productive than Kamara with far less talent blocking for him, and AK having Brees...

ProFootball Reference | Christian McCaffrey vs Alvin Kamara - Career Stats To Date

jeanpierre 09-12-2020 01:38 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
It is what it is, hoping he stays healthy with a heavier workload to warrant such a contract...

Am truly happy for him, his path, his documented hard work, he's proof what you have to do with talent is maximize it and stay focused...

jeanpierre 09-12-2020 07:51 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Good, short, article, but it touches on a number of other statistics that support Kamara's value, but also offers concrete criticism when comparing production to McCaffrey...

saintfan 09-12-2020 08:07 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Alvin is worth every penny.

TheOak 09-13-2020 02:22 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 896183)
Alvin is worth every penny.
Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019.

McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes.
2017-2019
Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints)
Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara)

I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats.

McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either.

jeanpierre 09-13-2020 10:00 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
There's essentially three camps on Kamara's New Contract...

There are those who feel he's essential to the success of this team, that he carries a large load of the offense, and that he should be paid accordingly...

There are those who feel he's an oft-injured, supporting cast running back, and because of that RB role, the Saints shouldn't commit that much money and that other players should take priority needing extensions...

Then there's that large group somewhere in between...

For me, he's more than earned a generous payday through his documented dedication and hard work...

But I believe it's fair to question the wisdom of committing such a large portion of the salary cap to a player who's not shown in a full season he can carry the load as a feature back; he was best in a tandem role...

SmashMouth 09-13-2020 10:59 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 896189)
Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019.

McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes.
2017-2019
Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints)
Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara)

I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats.

McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either.
So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? :D

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. :bng:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gIYQly...UJRm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/cP0c0c...ws7d/giphy.gif

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?

AsylumGuido 09-13-2020 11:20 AM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 896203)
So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? :D

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. :bng:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gIYQly...UJRm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/cP0c0c...ws7d/giphy.gif

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?
There is no reason he shouldn't return to that form with the healthy knee and ankle.

TheOak 09-13-2020 04:04 PM
Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 896203)
So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? :D

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. :bng:

https://media.giphy.com/media/gIYQly...UJRm/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/cP0c0c...ws7d/giphy.gif

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?
Sammich(s) :)

I hope ENERYONE returns to their prime form. Especially Sean Payton.


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