ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link
 

Results usually show decent in regular season. But then fails in the playoffs, so far hasnt looked good the last 2 games where both teams offenses is pretty 1 dimensional.

The solution to beating Rodgers has been displayed often in the past when facing GB given the track record, some reason or another it didnt display Sunday night.

I think the defense has too much talent to fail the way it has under DA.

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Agreed.

Spags just won a Superbowl.

We had a shot at Wade Phillips multiple times and didn't get him. Allen has never really been successful wherever he's been, not to mention he was our DB coach in his first stint and they are probably our weakest area, year after year.

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They have rarely bought back coaches fired in the past, Wade served under Bum and was fired later on I think.

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S.Spagnuolo is riding the coattails of one of the most talented and electrifying players to play the game right now, quite possibly..., ever. KC’s defenses suck, the SB win is not bc of his stellar defense, that’s for sure. Very simply, KC’s offense can easily drop a 50 burger on you without batting an eye.

And Wade Phillips? lol, Please tell me we aren’t serious with this guy. Once was enough, I hope to never see him, in any capacity working in the Superdome again. He was fortunate with the players he had during his stint with the Saints back in the early 80’s. It sure wasn’t his coaching.

I’m not a huge fan of Dennis Allen, but looking back over the last few years, and our playoff exits, it wasn’t the coordinator that missed the tackles, the players were put in the proper position to make the plays and the schemes were good, for the most part.

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Allen is one of those guys that are too smart for their own good. In key situations he tries things that often backfire because he's outthought himself. Sometimes it's good to just do the tried and tested thing, The irony is he's not exactly what I'd call creative either. He's the type of coach to play the odds which may seem like a contradiction to what I said above, but somehow it isn't when it comes to him. I don't think he is a bad defensive coordinator, as he was a huge upgrade from Rob Ryan. There are better coaches out there though. I wish we would have kept Spags and got him the personnel he needed. I think if Payton never gets suspended, we'd still have Spags and maybe have a couple of SBs as our defense would have been good in years in which our offense was really booming. People really underestimate how much the bountygate bull**** set us back. It screwed up many things that may not seem obvious at first glance. Without it. I think Brees has 3 titles at the very least.

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I am not sure defensive issues can be blamed on the defensive coordinator. Look at all the defensive coordinators the Saints have had during the Payton era. Gary Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Steve Spagnuolo, Rob Ryan, and Dennis Allen. Everyone of these guys are very good coaches, what is the real issue?

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Dennis Allen's scheme is trash.

He's not putting guys into position to make plays. Lose the 4-2-5 base D and bring back the 4-3 Over. 3 weeks in and we can't cover TE's. A single high safety or no safety at all and getting burned one on one. Not to mention the boot leg is absolutely killing us.

Too many high draft picks to play this poorly defensively. Elite talent still needs to be put in positions to succeed and despite specializing secondary coach + having a former DB in Glenn Allen they don't consistently succeed. Reminiscent to when the 49ers went from Mike Singletary to Jim Harbaugh with roughly the same talent.

A lot of the same concerns, different year. Our issues defensively aren't something new.

Playing better against Detroit would be a start though.

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We've switched schemes so many times that it's amazing that we have the talent that we do now.

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As stated - too many high round draft picks to be playing this badly.

Look at the picture I added, 10 seconds into the 2nd half.

5 Saints defenders on 3 Packers receivers, we get burned for 70 yards.

PJ is responsible (shocker), hes still in his backpedal whilst Lazard is running flat out, PJ is never going to win. Obviously PJ needs to do better, but how can we as fans know that PJ is only effective the closer he is to the line, but the almighty Dennis Allen continues to put him in positions where he WILL fail!?

Thats why Dennis sucks, hes blind to certain factors. He let Waller destroy our D single handedly, no adjustments. He let Rodgers continue to roll out and launch with no pressure and all the time in the world, with shoddy secondary play already plaguing us.

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Almost makes you wonder just how much Mike Nolan helped.

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84 other defensive coaches who failed here determined that was a lie

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you spelled Sean D E N N I S, thats not how that i spelled

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Nolan was the glue and the real strategist

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All of this talk about Nolan and how good he is. hmmm..., my guess is there is a reason why he hasn’t stuck with any team more than 2 or 3 years as a defensive coordinator. He’s been the defensive coordinator for 8 different NFL teams over a combined 14 years. Things like that don’t just happen randomly, there is a reason

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Perhaps maybe his scheme gets old after a while or won’t let head coaches sh*t on him who knows. Either way he’s a hell of a linebackers coach though

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In all truthiness, it very well could be his social engineering skills, or lack thereof. But, if there is one thing I know about the NFL as an industry, it’s that success is the panacea to everything, including interpersonal ability. And agreed, I’ve always thought he was a heckuva position coach also.

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Saints were in the AFC they would have more than 1 SB.

AFC SB winners of the past 20 years has only been 7 different teams.

Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, and Raiders.

Broncos and Colts was both by the same QB and have regressed tremendously since retiring.

I got to respect the chiefs but hate it at the same time that their is nothing else in the AFC to stop them possibly for the next 2-3 years, how weak the AFC has been. If Andy Reids Eagles were in the AFC just imagine the SBs he would of won with them.

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Eh, Sean has potential for high creativity in what he does. He does outthink himself, which ironically makes himself look simplistic. What Dennis Allen does is a bit different than what I'm talking about though. Overall though Sean Payton has an attacking mentality and yet has good balance with calling the right type of plays. When Sean Payton is in rhythm, it's a thing of beauty. Sometimes he gets out of rhythm and it just looks ugly. I trust Sean though.

Dennis Allen seems more like a probabilistic/statistical coach to me. He plays the odds, makes adjustments that raises his odds. He doesn't have an attacking mind set. Because Allen is such a statistical thinker, what he does becomes predictable. What should be a good play call for him often turns into a bad play call because it's like he never mixes things up and throws something at his opponents out of no where, so even though his play call matches the situation very well, it's far too clear what's coming. He's a guy that can't see the forest for the trees. He's a smart guy that can't escape from the logical side of things and get into the creative mindset. He gets too caught up in doing the right thing instead of trying to obfuscate at least some of the time. That's one of the reasons I think Nolan was good for him, because I think Nolan has the opposite issue. Nolan is a very out of the box type thinker. A big part of defense in the NFL is just to confuse the **** out of the QB and the offense of the other team. This doesn't seem to be something we strive for.

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I'd say we'd have more than 1 more Superbowl if we were in the AFC. The NFC is always far too diverse. I feel like half of the damn conference has the potential to win the Super Bowl every year. The AFC is always very top heavy. And NE playing in the AFC East almost feels like a joke. NE has been pretty much guaranteed a high seed every damn year since Tom Brady became the QB.

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Must be for Gibbs, Ryan, Spags Williams. I mean how can we just keep blaming the Dcoord? At some point the finger has to point to the man at the helm, in this case SP. Spags just won another super bowl. Come on man, what did he get lucky again? Repeat after me, Sean is the problem with the defense. No matter what players or coordinator we have the defense is always the scapegoat. And somehow Sean continues to survive as if he has no blame. I didn't believe Ryan either but it is all started to make more sense now.

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Why would MJ had been better prepared to cover a tight end had we been in the AFC?

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To be fair our secondary always starts slow.

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HELPED as in the "walk off" overtime loss to the Vikes?

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Dennis Allen is alright as a DC, maybe even good but he's just not great. And his adjustments used to be what we liked about him. They are gone now. What happened to that guy?

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A fair point. That would fall more on Aaron Glenn.

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No. That would fall on the players executing. Coaches get too much credit and too much blame at times.

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Very true. I think we all long ago came to the conclusion that Marcus Williams was trying to not get flagged for hitting a defenseless receiver.

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[QUOTE=Rugby Saint II;898694]Dennis Allen is alright as a DC, maybe even good but he's just not great. And his adjustments used to be what we liked about him. They are gone now. What happened to that guy?[/QUOTE

He knows he won’t get canned, so why try too hard. Any other head coach would of fired his silly ass