ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link

Vrillon82 · 09-30-2020, 12:30 PM

Results usually show decent in regular season. But then fails in the playoffs, so far hasnt looked good the last 2 games where both teams offenses is pretty 1 dimensional.

The solution to beating Rodgers has been displayed often in the past when facing GB given the track record, some reason or another it didnt display Sunday night.

I think the defense has too much talent to fail the way it has under DA.

dizzle88 · 09-30-2020, 12:50 PM

Agreed.

Spags just won a Superbowl.

We had a shot at Wade Phillips multiple times and didn't get him. Allen has never really been successful wherever he's been, not to mention he was our DB coach in his first stint and they are probably our weakest area, year after year.

Vrillon82 · 09-30-2020, 01:00 PM

They have rarely bought back coaches fired in the past, Wade served under Bum and was fired later on I think.

gosaints1 · 09-30-2020, 01:09 PM

S.Spagnuolo is riding the coattails of one of the most talented and electrifying players to play the game right now, quite possibly..., ever. KC’s defenses suck, the SB win is not bc of his stellar defense, that’s for sure. Very simply, KC’s offense can easily drop a 50 burger on you without batting an eye.

And Wade Phillips? lol, Please tell me we aren’t serious with this guy. Once was enough, I hope to never see him, in any capacity working in the Superdome again. He was fortunate with the players he had during his stint with the Saints back in the early 80’s. It sure wasn’t his coaching.

I’m not a huge fan of Dennis Allen, but looking back over the last few years, and our playoff exits, it wasn’t the coordinator that missed the tackles, the players were put in the proper position to make the plays and the schemes were good, for the most part.

Vrillon82 · 10-01-2020, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

S.Spagnuolo is riding the coattails of one of the most talented and electrifying players to play the game right now, quite possibly..., ever. KC’s defenses suck, the SB win is not bc of his stellar defense, that’s for sure. Very simply, KC’s offense can easily drop a 50 burger on you without batting an eye.

And Wade Phillips? lol, Please tell me we aren’t serious with this guy. Once was enough, I hope to never see him, in any capacity working in the Superdome again. He was fortunate with the players he had during his stint with the Saints back in the early 80’s. It sure wasn’t his coaching.

I’m not a huge fan of Dennis Allen, but looking back over the last few years, and our playoff exits, it wasn’t the coordinator that missed the tackles, the players were put in the proper position to make the plays and the schemes were good, for the most part.

Saints were in the AFC they would have more than 1 SB.

AFC SB winners of the past 20 years has only been 7 different teams.

Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, and Raiders.

Broncos and Colts was both by the same QB and have regressed tremendously since retiring.

I got to respect the chiefs but hate it at the same time that their is nothing else in the AFC to stop them possibly for the next 2-3 years, how weak the AFC has been. If Andy Reids Eagles were in the AFC just imagine the SBs he would of won with them.

hitta · 10-01-2020, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by Vrillon82

Saints were in the AFC they would have more than 1 SB.

AFC SB winners of the past 20 years has only been 7 different teams.

Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, and Raiders.

Broncos and Colts was both by the same QB and have regressed tremendously since retiring.

I got to respect the chiefs but hate it at the same time that their is nothing else in the AFC to stop them possibly for the next 2-3 years, how weak the AFC has been. If Andy Reids Eagles were in the AFC just imagine the SBs he would of won with them.

I'd say we'd have more than 1 more Superbowl if we were in the AFC. The NFC is always far too diverse. I feel like half of the damn conference has the potential to win the Super Bowl every year. The AFC is always very top heavy. And NE playing in the AFC East almost feels like a joke. NE has been pretty much guaranteed a high seed every damn year since Tom Brady became the QB.

spkb25 · 10-01-2020, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I'd say we'd have more than 1 more Superbowl if we were in the AFC. The NFC is always far too diverse. I feel like half of the damn conference has the potential to win the Super Bowl every year. The AFC is always very top heavy. And NE playing in the AFC East almost feels like a joke. NE has been pretty much guaranteed a high seed every damn year since Tom Brady became the QB.

Why would MJ had been better prepared to cover a tight end had we been in the AFC?

hitta · 09-30-2020, 01:27 PM

Allen is one of those guys that are too smart for their own good. In key situations he tries things that often backfire because he's outthought himself. Sometimes it's good to just do the tried and tested thing, The irony is he's not exactly what I'd call creative either. He's the type of coach to play the odds which may seem like a contradiction to what I said above, but somehow it isn't when it comes to him. I don't think he is a bad defensive coordinator, as he was a huge upgrade from Rob Ryan. There are better coaches out there though. I wish we would have kept Spags and got him the personnel he needed. I think if Payton never gets suspended, we'd still have Spags and maybe have a couple of SBs as our defense would have been good in years in which our offense was really booming. People really underestimate how much the bountygate bull**** set us back. It screwed up many things that may not seem obvious at first glance. Without it. I think Brees has 3 titles at the very least.

spkb25 · 09-30-2020, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Allen is one of those guys that are too smart for their own good. In key situations he tries things that often backfire because he's outthought himself. Sometimes it's good to just do the tried and tested thing, The irony is he's not exactly what I'd call creative either. He's the type of coach to play the odds which may seem like a contradiction to what I said above, but somehow it isn't when it comes to him. I don't think he is a bad defensive coordinator, as he was a huge upgrade from Rob Ryan. There are better coaches out there though. I wish we would have kept Spags and got him the personnel he needed. I think if Payton never gets suspended, we'd still have Spags and maybe have a couple of SBs as our defense would have been good in years in which our offense was really booming. People really underestimate how much the bountygate bull**** set us back. It screwed up many things that may not seem obvious at first glance. Without it. I think Brees has 3 titles at the very least.

you spelled Sean D E N N I S, thats not how that i spelled

hitta · 10-01-2020, 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

you spelled Sean D E N N I S, thats not how that i spelled

Eh, Sean has potential for high creativity in what he does. He does outthink himself, which ironically makes himself look simplistic. What Dennis Allen does is a bit different than what I'm talking about though. Overall though Sean Payton has an attacking mentality and yet has good balance with calling the right type of plays. When Sean Payton is in rhythm, it's a thing of beauty. Sometimes he gets out of rhythm and it just looks ugly. I trust Sean though.

Dennis Allen seems more like a probabilistic/statistical coach to me. He plays the odds, makes adjustments that raises his odds. He doesn't have an attacking mind set. Because Allen is such a statistical thinker, what he does becomes predictable. What should be a good play call for him often turns into a bad play call because it's like he never mixes things up and throws something at his opponents out of no where, so even though his play call matches the situation very well, it's far too clear what's coming. He's a guy that can't see the forest for the trees. He's a smart guy that can't escape from the logical side of things and get into the creative mindset. He gets too caught up in doing the right thing instead of trying to obfuscate at least some of the time. That's one of the reasons I think Nolan was good for him, because I think Nolan has the opposite issue. Nolan is a very out of the box type thinker. A big part of defense in the NFL is just to confuse the **** out of the QB and the offense of the other team. This doesn't seem to be something we strive for.

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Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Results usually show decent in regular season. But then fails in the playoffs, so far hasnt looked good the last 2 games where both teams offenses is pretty 1 dimensional. The solution to beating Rodgers has been displayed often in the past when facing GB given the track record, some reason or another it didnt display Sunday night. I think the defense has too much talent to fail the way it has under DA. K Major likes this.
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09-30-2020, 12:50 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Agreed. Spags just won a Superbowl. We had a shot at Wade Phillips multiple times and didn't get him. Allen has never really been successful wherever he's been, not to mention he was our DB coach in his first stint and they are probably our weakest area, year after year.

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Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link They have rarely bought back coaches fired in the past, Wade served under Bum and was fired later on I think.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link S.Spagnuolo is riding the coattails of one of the most talented and electrifying players to play the game right now, quite possibly..., ever. KC’s defenses suck, the SB win is not bc of his stellar defense, that’s for sure. Very simply, KC’s offense can easily drop a 50 burger on you without batting an eye. And Wade Phillips? lol, Please tell me we aren’t serious with this guy. Once was enough, I hope to never see him, in any capacity working in the Superdome again. He was fortunate with the players he had during his stint with the Saints back in the early 80’s. It sure wasn’t his coaching. I’m not a huge fan of Dennis Allen, but looking back over the last few years, and our playoff exits, it wasn’t the coordinator that missed the tackles, the players were put in the proper position to make the plays and the schemes were good, for the most part. SaintGnome likes this.
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10-01-2020, 01:33 AM	#5
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Originally Posted by gosaints1 S.Spagnuolo is riding the coattails of one of the most talented and electrifying players to play the game right now, quite possibly..., ever. KC’s defenses suck, the SB win is not bc of his stellar defense, that’s for sure. Very simply, KC’s offense can easily drop a 50 burger on you without batting an eye. And Wade Phillips? lol, Please tell me we aren’t serious with this guy. Once was enough, I hope to never see him, in any capacity working in the Superdome again. He was fortunate with the players he had during his stint with the Saints back in the early 80’s. It sure wasn’t his coaching. I’m not a huge fan of Dennis Allen, but looking back over the last few years, and our playoff exits, it wasn’t the coordinator that missed the tackles, the players were put in the proper position to make the plays and the schemes were good, for the most part. Saints were in the AFC they would have more than 1 SB. AFC SB winners of the past 20 years has only been 7 different teams. Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, and Raiders. Broncos and Colts was both by the same QB and have regressed tremendously since retiring. I got to respect the chiefs but hate it at the same time that their is nothing else in the AFC to stop them possibly for the next 2-3 years, how weak the AFC has been. If Andy Reids Eagles were in the AFC just imagine the SBs he would of won with them.
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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Originally Posted by Vrillon82 Saints were in the AFC they would have more than 1 SB. AFC SB winners of the past 20 years has only been 7 different teams. Steelers, Patriots, Chiefs, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, and Raiders. Broncos and Colts was both by the same QB and have regressed tremendously since retiring. I got to respect the chiefs but hate it at the same time that their is nothing else in the AFC to stop them possibly for the next 2-3 years, how weak the AFC has been. If Andy Reids Eagles were in the AFC just imagine the SBs he would of won with them. I'd say we'd have more than 1 more Superbowl if we were in the AFC. The NFC is always far too diverse. I feel like half of the damn conference has the potential to win the Super Bowl every year. The AFC is always very top heavy. And NE playing in the AFC East almost feels like a joke. NE has been pretty much guaranteed a high seed every damn year since Tom Brady became the QB.
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10-01-2020, 01:54 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Originally Posted by hitta I'd say we'd have more than 1 more Superbowl if we were in the AFC. The NFC is always far too diverse. I feel like half of the damn conference has the potential to win the Super Bowl every year. The AFC is always very top heavy. And NE playing in the AFC East almost feels like a joke. NE has been pretty much guaranteed a high seed every damn year since Tom Brady became the QB. Why would MJ had been better prepared to cover a tight end had we been in the AFC?

09-30-2020, 01:27 PM	#8
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Allen is one of those guys that are too smart for their own good. In key situations he tries things that often backfire because he's outthought himself. Sometimes it's good to just do the tried and tested thing, The irony is he's not exactly what I'd call creative either. He's the type of coach to play the odds which may seem like a contradiction to what I said above, but somehow it isn't when it comes to him. I don't think he is a bad defensive coordinator, as he was a huge upgrade from Rob Ryan. There are better coaches out there though. I wish we would have kept Spags and got him the personnel he needed. I think if Payton never gets suspended, we'd still have Spags and maybe have a couple of SBs as our defense would have been good in years in which our offense was really booming. People really underestimate how much the bountygate bull**** set us back. It screwed up many things that may not seem obvious at first glance. Without it. I think Brees has 3 titles at the very least.
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09-30-2020, 04:12 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Originally Posted by hitta Allen is one of those guys that are too smart for their own good. In key situations he tries things that often backfire because he's outthought himself. Sometimes it's good to just do the tried and tested thing, The irony is he's not exactly what I'd call creative either. He's the type of coach to play the odds which may seem like a contradiction to what I said above, but somehow it isn't when it comes to him. I don't think he is a bad defensive coordinator, as he was a huge upgrade from Rob Ryan. There are better coaches out there though. I wish we would have kept Spags and got him the personnel he needed. I think if Payton never gets suspended, we'd still have Spags and maybe have a couple of SBs as our defense would have been good in years in which our offense was really booming. People really underestimate how much the bountygate bull**** set us back. It screwed up many things that may not seem obvious at first glance. Without it. I think Brees has 3 titles at the very least. you spelled Sean D E N N I S, thats not how that i spelled

10-01-2020, 01:39 AM	#10
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,331	Re: ive always thought Dennis Allen is the weak link Originally Posted by spkb25 you spelled Sean D E N N I S, thats not how that i spelled Eh, Sean has potential for high creativity in what he does. He does outthink himself, which ironically makes himself look simplistic. What Dennis Allen does is a bit different than what I'm talking about though. Overall though Sean Payton has an attacking mentality and yet has good balance with calling the right type of plays. When Sean Payton is in rhythm, it's a thing of beauty. Sometimes he gets out of rhythm and it just looks ugly. I trust Sean though. Dennis Allen seems more like a probabilistic/statistical coach to me. He plays the odds, makes adjustments that raises his odds. He doesn't have an attacking mind set. Because Allen is such a statistical thinker, what he does becomes predictable. What should be a good play call for him often turns into a bad play call because it's like he never mixes things up and throws something at his opponents out of no where, so even though his play call matches the situation very well, it's far too clear what's coming. He's a guy that can't see the forest for the trees. He's a smart guy that can't escape from the logical side of things and get into the creative mindset. He gets too caught up in doing the right thing instead of trying to obfuscate at least some of the time. That's one of the reasons I think Nolan was good for him, because I think Nolan has the opposite issue. Nolan is a very out of the box type thinker. A big part of defense in the NFL is just to confuse the **** out of the QB and the offense of the other team. This doesn't seem to be something we strive for.
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