Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win

spkb25 · 10-05-2020, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

The quality of opponent argument doesn’t hold water in my opinion. When you are down 6 pro bowl starters including the best receiver in the league, lose two more to injury during the game, and still have a pretty dominant showing it says a lot about your team.

It could also say a lot about your opponent.

Why are you down that many players? Bad draft picks?

gosaints1 · 10-05-2020, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

It could also say a lot about your opponent.

Why are you down that many players? Bad draft picks?

No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league.

The Dude · 10-05-2020, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league.

I agree with the exception of Davenport. And Peat. And Armstead.

gosaints1 · 10-05-2020, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I agree with the exception of Davenport. And Peat. And Armstead.

Yeee, so true it made me laugh..., but those are the guys we expect to pull a hammy while they argue with the butcher at Whole Foods.

spkb25 · 10-06-2020, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league.

Really, isn't these same guys hurt year in and year out and SP keeps giving them more money 🙄

gosaints1 · 10-06-2020, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Really, isn't these same guys hurt year in and year out and SP keeps giving them more money 🙄

No, not really. Michael Thomas isn’t and he’s been itching to return to the field since his injury. Armstead suffered a torn labrum in 2017 which required surgery and was supposed to be out for 6 months but he returned much earlier and started ten games that season, making the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019. He is getting on the older side of being an offensive lineman though, seven years is a fairly long time in that position. Peat broke his leg on the field in 2017, then made the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019 also. Lattimore isn’t really an injury bug infested player either. Ruiz, no.

As long as players have diagnosed injuries like “broken fibula” or “torn labrum” requiring surgery, I’m good with it, doubly so for linemen on both sides of the ball, they bc of the physicality of each and every play have a higher propensity for injury. As long as they’re eagerly trying to get back in the field, I’m understanding. Which brings this conversation to Two firsts Davenport. “Hurt elbow” and “Hurt toe” are tough injury pills to swallow. It does seem like he has injury bug’itis and it does seem like every time he flips a page in the playbook he gets a paper cut (yes AG, I know they use digital medium, lol, I’m stating it this way for illustrative purposes only), resulting in a staph infection and then unable to play. That being said:

1) I liked the idea of identifying a need you want in the draft and aggressively going after that player. But I’m biased in that as my personality leans more to the side of higher quality than higher quantity. I frequently say, when referring to friends and family: “I would rather have four quarters ($0.25) than a hundred pennies ($0.01). Better stated by the former George Burns: “The best thing in life is to have an extremely large family..., all residing several states away from you”. lol. Bottom line, I’ve never been a fan of draft pick “hoarding”.

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2) Davenport hasn’t been “paid” as you intimate. A fair argument can be made that trade of two firsts was expensive. And it’s one that I believe has more truth than falseness. The man has to get on the field and play..., “hurt toe & elbow” are not cutting it.

Bottom line, I think the Saints have drafted well. Have they missed on some? Sure, but I don’t think the draft is a guessing game as you stated in an earlier post. It’s no guarantee, bc the future isn’t known for any of those very young men, but the resources that go into investigating future NFL players is on par with Fortune 500 companies who are looking at investing millions of dollars per year in salary to their employees also. Ultimately, you get burned a few times.

Linemen get beat up. Davenport..., well..., lol.

It’s hyperbole to think the Saints can’t draft, it’s also hyperbole to think the Saints are filled with SP picks that are highly paid for sitting on the injury bench all the time. That being said, hyperbole is your m.o., the “sky is falling”..., your wheelhouse.

spkb25 · 10-06-2020, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

No, not really. Michael Thomas isn’t and he’s been itching to return to the field since his injury. Armstead suffered a torn labrum in 2017 which required surgery and was supposed to be out for 6 months but he returned much earlier and started ten games that season, making the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019. He is getting on the older side of being an offensive lineman though, seven years is a fairly long time in that position. Peat broke his leg on the field in 2017, then made the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019 also. Lattimore isn’t really an injury bug infested player either. Ruiz, no.

As long as players have diagnosed injuries like “broken fibula” or “torn labrum” requiring surgery, I’m good with it, doubly so for linemen on both sides of the ball, they bc of the physicality of each and every play have a higher propensity for injury. As long as they’re eagerly trying to get back in the field, I’m understanding. Which brings this conversation to Two firsts Davenport. “Hurt elbow” and “Hurt toe” are tough injury pills to swallow. It does seem like he has injury bug’itis and it does seem like every time he flips a page in the playbook he gets a paper cut (yes AG, I know they use digital medium, lol, I’m stating it this way for illustrative purposes only), resulting in a staph infection and then unable to play. That being said:

1) I liked the idea of identifying a need you want in the draft and aggressively going after that player. But I’m biased in that as my personality leans more to the side of higher quality than higher quantity. I frequently say, when referring to friends and family: “I would rather have four quarters ($0.25) than a hundred pennies ($0.01). Better stated by the former George Burns: “The best thing in life is to have an extremely large family..., all residing several states away from you”. lol. Bottom line, I’ve never been a fan of draft pick “hoarding”.

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2) Davenport hasn’t been “paid” as you intimate. A fair argument can be made that trade of two firsts was expensive. And it’s one that I believe has more truth than falseness. The man has to get on the field and play..., “hurt toe & elbow” are not cutting it.

Bottom line, I think the Saints have drafted well. Have they missed on some? Sure, but I don’t think the draft is a guessing game as you stated in an earlier post. It’s no guarantee, bc the future isn’t known for any of those very young men, but the resources that go into investigating future NFL players is on par with Fortune 500 companies who are looking at investing millions of dollars per year in salary to their employees also. Ultimately, you get burned a few times.

Linemen get beat up. Davenport..., well..., lol.

It’s hyperbole to think the Saints can’t draft, it’s also hyperbole to think the Saints are filled with SP picks that are highly paid for sitting on the injury bench all the time. That being said, hyperbole is your m.o., the “sky is falling”..., your wheelhouse.

So basically everyone except MT is hurt year in and year out.

10-05-2020, 05:44 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,120	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by The Dude The quality of opponent argument doesn’t hold water in my opinion. When you are down 6 pro bowl starters including the best receiver in the league, lose two more to injury during the game, and still have a pretty dominant showing it says a lot about your team. It could also say a lot about your opponent. Why are you down that many players? Bad draft picks?

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by spkb25 It could also say a lot about your opponent. Why are you down that many players? Bad draft picks? No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by gosaints1 No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league. I agree with the exception of Davenport. And Peat. And Armstead. gosaints1 likes this.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by The Dude I agree with the exception of Davenport. And Peat. And Armstead. Yeee, so true it made me laugh..., but those are the guys we expect to pull a hammy while they argue with the butcher at Whole Foods. jnormand likes this.
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10-06-2020, 06:25 AM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,120	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by gosaints1 No, not at all. Lack of almost everything preparatory to the season beginning was eliminated. It’s not just the Saints, lots of big names on IR across the league. Really, isn't these same guys hurt year in and year out and SP keeps giving them more money 🙄

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by spkb25 Really, isn't these same guys hurt year in and year out and SP keeps giving them more money 🙄 No, not really. Michael Thomas isn’t and he’s been itching to return to the field since his injury. Armstead suffered a torn labrum in 2017 which required surgery and was supposed to be out for 6 months but he returned much earlier and started ten games that season, making the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019. He is getting on the older side of being an offensive lineman though, seven years is a fairly long time in that position. Peat broke his leg on the field in 2017, then made the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019 also. Lattimore isn’t really an injury bug infested player either. Ruiz, no. As long as players have diagnosed injuries like “broken fibula” or “torn labrum” requiring surgery, I’m good with it, doubly so for linemen on both sides of the ball, they bc of the physicality of each and every play have a higher propensity for injury. As long as they’re eagerly trying to get back in the field, I’m understanding. Which brings this conversation to Two firsts Davenport. “Hurt elbow” and “Hurt toe” are tough injury pills to swallow. It does seem like he has injury bug’itis and it does seem like every time he flips a page in the playbook he gets a paper cut (yes AG, I know they use digital medium, lol, I’m stating it this way for illustrative purposes only), resulting in a staph infection and then unable to play. That being said: 1) I liked the idea of identifying a need you want in the draft and aggressively going after that player. But I’m biased in that as my personality leans more to the side of higher quality than higher quantity. I frequently say, when referring to friends and family: “I would rather have four quarters ($0.25) than a hundred pennies ($0.01). Better stated by the former George Burns: “The best thing in life is to have an extremely large family..., all residing several states away from you”. lol. Bottom line, I’ve never been a fan of draft pick “hoarding”. & 2) Davenport hasn’t been “paid” as you intimate. A fair argument can be made that trade of two firsts was expensive. And it’s one that I believe has more truth than falseness. The man has to get on the field and play..., “hurt toe & elbow” are not cutting it. Bottom line, I think the Saints have drafted well. Have they missed on some? Sure, but I don’t think the draft is a guessing game as you stated in an earlier post. It’s no guarantee, bc the future isn’t known for any of those very young men, but the resources that go into investigating future NFL players is on par with Fortune 500 companies who are looking at investing millions of dollars per year in salary to their employees also. Ultimately, you get burned a few times. Linemen get beat up. Davenport..., well..., lol. It’s hyperbole to think the Saints can’t draft, it’s also hyperbole to think the Saints are filled with SP picks that are highly paid for sitting on the injury bench all the time. That being said, hyperbole is your m.o., the “sky is falling”..., your wheelhouse.
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10-06-2020, 10:22 AM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,120	Re: Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this forum after a win Originally Posted by gosaints1 No, not really. Michael Thomas isn’t and he’s been itching to return to the field since his injury. Armstead suffered a torn labrum in 2017 which required surgery and was supposed to be out for 6 months but he returned much earlier and started ten games that season, making the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019. He is getting on the older side of being an offensive lineman though, seven years is a fairly long time in that position. Peat broke his leg on the field in 2017, then made the ProBowl in 2018 and 2019 also. Lattimore isn’t really an injury bug infested player either. Ruiz, no. As long as players have diagnosed injuries like “broken fibula” or “torn labrum” requiring surgery, I’m good with it, doubly so for linemen on both sides of the ball, they bc of the physicality of each and every play have a higher propensity for injury. As long as they’re eagerly trying to get back in the field, I’m understanding. Which brings this conversation to Two firsts Davenport. “Hurt elbow” and “Hurt toe” are tough injury pills to swallow. It does seem like he has injury bug’itis and it does seem like every time he flips a page in the playbook he gets a paper cut (yes AG, I know they use digital medium, lol, I’m stating it this way for illustrative purposes only), resulting in a staph infection and then unable to play. That being said: 1) I liked the idea of identifying a need you want in the draft and aggressively going after that player. But I’m biased in that as my personality leans more to the side of higher quality than higher quantity. I frequently say, when referring to friends and family: “I would rather have four quarters ($0.25) than a hundred pennies ($0.01). Better stated by the former George Burns: “The best thing in life is to have an extremely large family..., all residing several states away from you”. lol. Bottom line, I’ve never been a fan of draft pick “hoarding”. & 2) Davenport hasn’t been “paid” as you intimate. A fair argument can be made that trade of two firsts was expensive. And it’s one that I believe has more truth than falseness. The man has to get on the field and play..., “hurt toe & elbow” are not cutting it. Bottom line, I think the Saints have drafted well. Have they missed on some? Sure, but I don’t think the draft is a guessing game as you stated in an earlier post. It’s no guarantee, bc the future isn’t known for any of those very young men, but the resources that go into investigating future NFL players is on par with Fortune 500 companies who are looking at investing millions of dollars per year in salary to their employees also. Ultimately, you get burned a few times. Linemen get beat up. Davenport..., well..., lol. It’s hyperbole to think the Saints can’t draft, it’s also hyperbole to think the Saints are filled with SP picks that are highly paid for sitting on the injury bench all the time. That being said, hyperbole is your m.o., the “sky is falling”..., your wheelhouse. So basically everyone except MT is hurt year in and year out.