Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South

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The Saints started slow, but made a gutsy comeback against a surprisingly good the Chargers on Monday Night Football. After Brees and the offense got hot, the scoreboard started to light up. The game culminated in an overtime where Drew Brees marched the team down for a field goal, and the defense finished the game with an incredible set of downs and a stop of the Chargers to end the game 30-27.

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saintsfan1976 · 10-12-2020, 11:18 PM

27-7 run to win is impressive. Didn’t play well enough to win but that’s not always how it unfolds. Bye week couldn’t come at a better time!

hitta · 10-12-2020, 11:25 PM

Only going to make a couple of points here:

1.)I don't think we played a good game, but we came on strong at the end. I see a lot of potential in this team, and this time without Michael Thomas may actually help us a lot down the road as I think Drew is going to spread the ball out more even when he returns.

2.) Chargers are a lot better team than there record. They may be 1-4, now but I still think they are one of the top 15 teams in the league(maybe even go so far as to say they may be a top 10 team right now, as they have improved). So regardless of how it looked, this was a good win.

3.) Dennis Allen continually calls some of the dumbest **** at the worst possible moments. I used to think that Allen may finally be the answer for us at the D-coordinator position, but I no longer think that. I'm not sure if he's overthinking things or what. Half the time I think he's doing things by the book too much and lacks creativity, the other half of the time he's making calls that feel like they come out of nowhere and make no damn sense whatsoever.

4.) Brees is still one of the best in the league. It may not be apparent to most fans right now, but I truly believe that this may be our championship season(as long as Dennis Allen doesn't **** it up). We are going to start rolling off victories I think. Our offense isn't as pigeonholed as it has been the last couple of years into one route of execution... especially in the passing game. I think a lot of Saints fans right now are overlooking the positives that I think we've improved on from previous seasons. It's going to come together.

5.) The one thing I don't like is that we have Malcolm Jenkins instead of Bell. I think the front office considered this an upgrade or something and really it was a huge downgrade. The moment this decision was made I was a bit sick about it.

6.) For all the fans that think we are just skating by or getting lucky.... you need to take a closer look at the team. There is far more potential this year than in the last two years, particularly on the the offensive side of the ball. I know all these games are close and we are playing teams with records that aren't exactly anything to right home about. I think these aren't bad teams though. I'm also hoping that a lot of the defensive issues have a lot to do with rust, though I know Allen has made a lot of horrible play calls that just can't happen

Vrillon82 · 10-12-2020, 11:55 PM

One thing that Puzzles me about Dennis Allen is putting guys into matchups that is doomed to fail. Demario on the TE Hunter Henry is not a matchup I would ever do in the redzone.

Now we were missing Janoris and Lattimore just came back and was matched up with a tall WR, but Lattimore has those games and is quick to bounce back. Bye week is perfect timing.

6.) For all the fans that think we are just skating by or getting lucky.... you need to take a closer look at the team. There is far more potential this year than in the last two years, particularly on the the offensive side of the ball. I know all these games are close and we are playing teams with records that aren't exactly anything to right home about. I think these aren't bad teams though. I'm also hoping that a lot of the defensive issues have a lot to do with rust, though I know Allen has made a lot of horrible play calls that just can't happen

Thats another thing to, alot of teams records is not very reflective of what they really are with the exception of some of the non playoff teams of last year like the Vikings, Browns, Raiders, and maybe Cowboys. Upcoming weeks we going to see huge turnaround on alot of teams that have started slow.

I think Falcons is going to start winning under Reheem (god forbid), Dallas is going to run away with the East with Dalton as QB causing a controversy. I believe Bucs is going continue to have bad coaching and doing just enough to lose close games. Panthers is coming back to reality even under Bridgewater. Browns is continue to win and maybe even finish at 11-5. Rams is going to start losing more as well as the Steelers who could possibly lose 3-4 in a row. So you see how it looks now compared to what it could look like in coming weeks.

K Major · 10-13-2020, 12:15 AM

We won however lots to clean up.

vpheughan · 10-13-2020, 05:47 AM

2009 The Meachem Strip, The missed chip shot FG in the same game just two instances of being good and lucky that come to mind.

saintsfan1976 · 10-13-2020, 05:58 AM

Good teams find ways to win and wins like these build character.

I'm excited to see the d line play better (especially with a 4 man rush)

I'm disappointed to see more busted plays in our secondary. This has to get fixed before we head into division play.

dizzle88 · 10-13-2020, 06:25 AM

I knew that P-roblem would return to his less than Glory Days after having a good game last week.

Seriously what was he doing on that 70 yard TD? What were all the DB's doing most of the night?

Jenkins is a major downgrade, Bell was 10 times better and I said it as soon as it happened.

Marquez Callaway - very interesting player, looked dangerous on punt returns with no thanks to JT Gray and bailed Brees out a couple times with balls thrown behind him that he still came down with.

jeanpierre · 10-13-2020, 07:54 AM

Observations, Thoughts:

Many of Brees' completions of the short, intermediary crossing type were thrown behind the receiver, limiting the YAC success...
Really hate to lose T-Rex after blossoming into a tough, impressive pass rusher, but that's the corner Loomis' salary cap mgt has painted us...
How is it picks Marcus Williams, Marshon Lattimore, P.J. Williams & acquisitions Janoris Jenkins, Eli Apple regressed in their Saints' tenure? Coaching...
Fans are criticizing Taysom's play, perhaps some is justified; but when fans know what's coming, don't you think opposition defenses do? It's on Payton...
Speaking of, Taysom really rose to the occasion, made a great read and physical play despite defense knowing what was coming and scored...
Saints are now sixth in fewest Missed Tackles (21), four teams at (19) and no surprise the Patriots with (18); Malcolm Jenkins had four (4) last night alone...
Despite the investment, especially draft capital (multi-picks per player) on the offensive line, as well as RB, Payton is still reluctant to call run...
If we had a younger, active owner, she'd be right to fly to NYC, make the case of officiating bias, incompetence and it wouldn't be difficult...
With respect to the special memories Garret Hartley gave Saints fans, Wil Lutz is already the second best kicker in franchise history and can be a HOFer...
If we has a stronger GM with veto power over Sean Payton, we'd likely have an even better roster, and loaded with draft picks, than what we have...
Drew left a lot on the bone last night with his harried reads last night; against better teams he has two Saints with one defender and threw the ball away...
It may take a Latavius Murray intervention to walk into Sean Payton's office and demand more touches or a trade to fix the offensive play-calling...
Hated when the talk came up of Malcolm Jenkins being brought back, and his play and drama have bore that out; worse, don't think we've seen it yet...
Personal Impression, 2020 vs 2009 squad, 2009 players were coached with confidence to play above themselves, 2020 guys play with doubt, hesitation...
Marquez Callaway, hasn't earned Payton/Brees' trust with consistently run accurate, crisp routes, but has passed Tre'Quan on the depth chart...
We currently have four offensive linemen who're playing or have played out of position this year; square pegs, round holes, but Sean's smarter than all...
Revealed last night, secret to Jared Cook's success, lull defenses to sleep with poor effort, routes, then finds himself unguarded at opportune times...
Now that Emmanuel Sanders has admitted to MNF crew he was called out by teammate MT for not running correct routes, he seems to have figured things out...
Speaking of MNF crew, that was probably the heaviest of Truth Bombs dropped last night on Payton's and DA's playcalling, scheme last night...
To not win the Superbowl with this roster, Payton, Dennis Allen should be dismissed at the end of the season, we saw the floor of this team last night...
Don't get the move to release Margus Hunt who was making plays for us and keeping offensive linemen (Kelly) who wouldn't, shouldn't see the field...
Love the NFL Draft, starting to regret this year's draft class as they're great talent that can't be great players because they're not seeing the field...
Does the Michael Thomas suspension fix the locker room? Drew Brees still looks cuckold since being ambushed by Malcolm Jenkins on social media...

jeanpierre · 10-13-2020, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Updated this post from another thread...

Know Dallas' defense is atrocious right now, but consider these things:

Jerry Jones' Dysfunctional Cowboys are where coaching careers go to die; players listen to the check writer, not the coaches...

Cowboys losses were at LA and at Seattle, and they lost at home to a 4-1 Browns team that has been the most underachieving team in NFL History...

Most of the Cowboys draft capital, and money has been invested on the offense and their three best defenders are out with injury...

Well, we know these givens...

Dennis Allen has been the DC since 2015...

Mike Nolan was hired as LB coach starting 2017...

Per ProFootball Reference the Saints have ranked defensively as follows

2015 32nd (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2015 NFL Team Defense

2016 31st (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2016 NFL Team Defense

2017 10th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2017 NFL Team Defense

2018 14th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2018 NFL Team Defense

2019 13th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2019 NFL Team Defense

2020 27th (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2020 NFL Team Defense

So, I'd say Mike Nolan, on staff, had a significant impact; and without him on staff, Dennis Allen has been a clusterphuck as a defensive coordinator...

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hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Only going to make a couple of points here: 1.)I don't think we played a good game, but we came on strong at the end. I see a lot of potential in this team, and this time without Michael Thomas may actually help us a lot down the road as I think Drew is going to spread the ball out more even when he returns. 2.) Chargers are a lot better team than there record. They may be 1-4, now but I still think they are one of the top 15 teams in the league(maybe even go so far as to say they may be a top 10 team right now, as they have improved). So regardless of how it looked, this was a good win. 3.) Dennis Allen continually calls some of the dumbest ** at the worst possible moments. I used to think that Allen may finally be the answer for us at the D-coordinator position, but I no longer think that. I'm not sure if he's overthinking things or what. Half the time I think he's doing things by the book too much and lacks creativity, the other half of the time he's making calls that feel like they come out of nowhere and make no damn sense whatsoever. 4.) Brees is still one of the best in the league. It may not be apparent to most fans right now, but I truly believe that this may be our championship season(as long as Dennis Allen doesn't ** it up). We are going to start rolling off victories I think. Our offense isn't as pigeonholed as it has been the last couple of years into one route of execution... especially in the passing game. I think a lot of Saints fans right now are overlooking the positives that I think we've improved on from previous seasons. It's going to come together. 5.) The one thing I don't like is that we have Malcolm Jenkins instead of Bell. I think the front office considered this an upgrade or something and really it was a huge downgrade. The moment this decision was made I was a bit sick about it. 6.) For all the fans that think we are just skating by or getting lucky.... you need to take a closer look at the team. There is far more potential this year than in the last two years, particularly on the the offensive side of the ball. I know all these games are close and we are playing teams with records that aren't exactly anything to right home about. I think these aren't bad teams though. I'm also hoping that a lot of the defensive issues have a lot to do with rust, though I know Allen has made a lot of horrible play calls that just can't happen Halo, iceshack149, jnormand and 4 others like this.
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Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South One thing that Puzzles me about Dennis Allen is putting guys into matchups that is doomed to fail. Demario on the TE Hunter Henry is not a matchup I would ever do in the redzone. Now we were missing Janoris and Lattimore just came back and was matched up with a tall WR, but Lattimore has those games and is quick to bounce back. Bye week is perfect timing. 6.) For all the fans that think we are just skating by or getting lucky.... you need to take a closer look at the team. There is far more potential this year than in the last two years, particularly on the the offensive side of the ball. I know all these games are close and we are playing teams with records that aren't exactly anything to right home about. I think these aren't bad teams though. I'm also hoping that a lot of the defensive issues have a lot to do with rust, though I know Allen has made a lot of horrible play calls that just can't happen Thats another thing to, alot of teams records is not very reflective of what they really are with the exception of some of the non playoff teams of last year like the Vikings, Browns, Raiders, and maybe Cowboys. Upcoming weeks we going to see huge turnaround on alot of teams that have started slow. I think Falcons is going to start winning under Reheem (god forbid), Dallas is going to run away with the East with Dalton as QB causing a controversy. I believe Bucs is going continue to have bad coaching and doing just enough to lose close games. Panthers is coming back to reality even under Bridgewater. Browns is continue to win and maybe even finish at 11-5. Rams is going to start losing more as well as the Steelers who could possibly lose 3-4 in a row. So you see how it looks now compared to what it could look like in coming weeks. Halo likes this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Observations, Thoughts: Many of Brees' completions of the short, intermediary crossing type were thrown behind the receiver, limiting the YAC success... Really hate to lose T-Rex after blossoming into a tough, impressive pass rusher, but that's the corner Loomis' salary cap mgt has painted us... How is it picks Marcus Williams, Marshon Lattimore, P.J. Williams & acquisitions Janoris Jenkins, Eli Apple regressed in their Saints' tenure? Coaching... Fans are criticizing Taysom's play, perhaps some is justified; but when fans know what's coming, don't you think opposition defenses do? It's on Payton... Speaking of, Taysom really rose to the occasion, made a great read and physical play despite defense knowing what was coming and scored... Saints are now sixth in fewest Missed Tackles (21), four teams at (19) and no surprise the Patriots with (18); Malcolm Jenkins had four (4) last night alone... Despite the investment, especially draft capital (multi-picks per player) on the offensive line, as well as RB, Payton is still reluctant to call run... If we had a younger, active owner, she'd be right to fly to NYC, make the case of officiating bias, incompetence and it wouldn't be difficult... With respect to the special memories Garret Hartley gave Saints fans, Wil Lutz is already the second best kicker in franchise history and can be a HOFer... If we has a stronger GM with veto power over Sean Payton, we'd likely have an even better roster, and loaded with draft picks, than what we have... Drew left a lot on the bone last night with his harried reads last night; against better teams he has two Saints with one defender and threw the ball away... It may take a Latavius Murray intervention to walk into Sean Payton's office and demand more touches or a trade to fix the offensive play-calling... Hated when the talk came up of Malcolm Jenkins being brought back, and his play and drama have bore that out; worse, don't think we've seen it yet... Personal Impression, 2020 vs 2009 squad, 2009 players were coached with confidence to play above themselves, 2020 guys play with doubt, hesitation... *Marquez Callaway, hasn't earned Payton/Brees'* trust with consistently run accurate, crisp routes, but has passed Tre'Quan on the depth chart... We currently have four offensive linemen who're playing or have played out of position this year; square pegs, round holes, but Sean's smarter than all... Revealed last night, secret to Jared Cook's success, lull defenses to sleep with poor effort, routes, then finds himself unguarded at opportune times... Now that Emmanuel Sanders has admitted to MNF crew he was called out by teammate MT for not running correct routes, he seems to have figured things out... Speaking of MNF crew, that was probably the heaviest of Truth Bombs dropped last night on Payton's and DA's playcalling, scheme last night... To not win the Superbowl with this roster, Payton, Dennis Allen should be dismissed at the end of the season, we saw the floor of this team last night... Don't get the move to release Margus Hunt who was making plays for us and keeping offensive linemen (Kelly) who wouldn't, shouldn't see the field... Love the NFL Draft, starting to regret this year's draft class as they're great talent that can't be great players because they're not seeing the field... Does the Michael Thomas suspension fix the locker room? Drew Brees still looks cuckold since being ambushed by Malcolm Jenkins on social media...** K Major and shawnkytonk like this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by jeanpierre Updated this post from another thread... Know Dallas' defense is atrocious right now, but consider these things: Jerry Jones' Dysfunctional Cowboys are where coaching careers go to die; players listen to the check writer, not the coaches... Cowboys losses were at LA and at Seattle, and they lost at home to a 4-1 Browns team that has been the most underachieving team in NFL History... Most of the Cowboys draft capital, and money has been invested on the offense and their three best defenders are out with injury... Well, we know these givens... Dennis Allen has been the DC since 2015... Mike Nolan was hired as LB coach starting 2017... Per ProFootball Reference the Saints have ranked defensively as follows 2015 32nd (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2015 NFL Team Defense 2016 31st (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2016 NFL Team Defense 2017 10th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2017 NFL Team Defense 2018 14th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2018 NFL Team Defense 2019 13th (Dennis Allen and Dick Nolan) 2019 NFL Team Defense 2020 27th (Dennis Allen without Dick Nolan) 2020 NFL Team Defense So, I'd say Mike Nolan, on staff, had a significant impact; and without him on staff, Dennis Allen has been a clusterphuck as a defensive coordinator... Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and Thirty3 like this.
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