Playoff berth and positioning

FinSaint · 10-21-2020, 04:13 PM

Injuries will determine a lot, as always.

TheOak · 10-22-2020, 07:59 AM

Way too early for playoff discussions to have any interest in them. We are in week 7 of 17....

All playoff birth options are in play for any team.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-22-2020, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Way too early for playoff discussions to have any interest in them. We are in week 7 of 17....

All playoff birth options are in play for any team.

With only 16 games to make the case, every game is a part of the playoff discussion. With a win over the Bradys week 1, the Saints positioned themselves in a positive place in the division standings. This upcoming game with the Carolina Teddies does the same. A win puts us 2-0 in the division with head to head wins over the closest competitors.

In the conference, we're two games behind Seattle and a game behind the Bears. Even though the Bradys have one more win, we're tied in the loss column and have the head to head advantage with another upcoming game. So a win against the Bears and another win over the Bradys would position the Saints right at the top of the conference.

It's likely that Seattle will come back to the pack having to play in a division with 2, or possibly 3, other playoff capable teams. Starts this week with the Rams.

So with wins over the Bradys, Teddies, and Bears, I'd be rooting for the Bears over the Pack and the rest of the NFC West over the SeaHawks.

All this to say that it's certainly not too early for playoff discussions. It's all about wins and positioning. For now just keep hoping for wins for the Saints and losses for the Pack and SeaHawks.

SFIAH

Rugby Saint II · 10-22-2020, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Injuries will determine a lot, as always.

Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby!

st thomas · 10-22-2020, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby!

I believe that, but DA better quit farting around and guessing crap and make his coaches accountable
(Aaron Glenn ) I complained about his coaching technique in the pass.

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TheOak · 10-23-2020, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

With only 16 games to make the case, every game is a part of the playoff discussion. With a win over the Bradys week 1, the Saints positioned themselves in a positive place in the division standings. This upcoming game with the Carolina Teddies does the same. A win puts us 2-0 in the division with head to head wins over the closest competitors.

In the conference, we're two games behind Seattle and a game behind the Bears. Even though the Bradys have one more win, we're tied in the loss column and have the head to head advantage with another upcoming game. So a win against the Bears and another win over the Bradys would position the Saints right at the top of the conference.

It's likely that Seattle will come back to the pack having to play in a division with 2, or possibly 3, other playoff capable teams. Starts this week with the Rams.

So with wins over the Bradys, Teddies, and Bears, I'd be rooting for the Bears over the Pack and the rest of the NFC West over the SeaHawks.

All this to say that it's certainly not too early for playoff discussions. It's all about wins and positioning. For now just keep hoping for wins for the Saints and losses for the Pack and SeaHawks.

SFIAH

Yea, save your typing brother, I read all of that the first time you posted it. You want to talk about it so enjoy, and for similar reasons as you have stated some people who have nothing better to do talk playoffs after free agency or the first round of the draft. The "ifs" are unlimited at this point and the Saints are not consistent enough to talk playoffs with only 1 Division and 2 Conference games behind us.

Everyone says we are talented enough to win it but I don't see that.

- I see a struggling defensive secondary that is a QBs wet dream because of its propensity for pass interference. One that is led by a mediocre Defensive Coach that has a reputation for changing the defense once a lead is established and then blowing said 20 point lead... constantly.

- The common theme is "if we can only stay healthy".. Well no team gets through a season and wins a SB with their season opening roster 100% in tact. We have talent but in many key positions we do not have "depth of talent". Some times 2 2M players for one position produces better for a season than 1-3.75M and 1-250k player. It isn't sexy but its reliable and consistent.

- Our offense has not found its groove and we get things done in spite of being out of sync. Looking back over the last 10 years, we had more consistent offenses before super stars like Jimmy Graham and Michael Thomas, they were so good that they allowed the rest of the talent to be sub par and created a false confidence in the whole team.

A talented roster on paper doesn't win championships, consistently good play does and we aren't that yet, haven't been for a couple years now.. We lose to crap teams and rookie QBs way too often, almost consistently.

This is why I don't talk playoffs yet. I am not a glass half full or glass half empty person.. I am more of a glass at 50% of its v/v capacity kind of guy and managed to lay all of that out with out guessing if we will win or lose Sunday.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-23-2020, 10:53 AM

It's a completely different discussion once the season has started and is now nearly halfway through For teams like the Fal'cants the season is effectively over with 5 current losses all in the conference. The Saints are not in that position right now.

Like it or not, the next 3 games are essentially playoff games for the Saints. Lose 2 out of three and they are out of the running. Win all three, they are back in the running for the #1 seed no matter how they've played up until now.

It's not just that I want to talk about playoff positioning, which IIRC is the title of this thread, but that in reality we are already there.

SFIAH

K Major · 10-23-2020, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby!

The Niners had more players land on IR (14) in 2019 than us yet they still managed to win the NFC & subsequent Super Bowl invite.

Halo · 10-23-2020, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Injuries will determine a lot, as always.

neugey · 10-23-2020, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

It's not just that I want to talk about playoff positioning, which IIRC is the title of this thread, but that in reality we are already there.

SFIAH

Exactly. There is a high number of terrible teams in the NFC this year. The entire NFC East, the Vikings and the Falcons, at the minimum, are all already basically out of the way. Carolina and Detroit are not real threats. So presuming we hold up reasonably well, we are already positioning for playoffs. And it's going to be weird this year, for all the teams, because that normally vital push for seeding and HFA is more or less a non-factor this year.

10-21-2020, 04:13 PM	#11
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Injuries will determine a lot, as always. Halo and Rugby Saint II like this.

10-22-2020, 07:59 AM	#12
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Way too early for playoff discussions to have any interest in them. We are in week 7 of 17.... All playoff birth options are in play for any team.

10-22-2020, 10:23 AM	#13
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by TheOak Way too early for playoff discussions to have any interest in them. We are in week 7 of 17.... All playoff birth options are in play for any team. With only 16 games to make the case, every game is a part of the playoff discussion. With a win over the Bradys week 1, the Saints positioned themselves in a positive place in the division standings. This upcoming game with the Carolina Teddies does the same. A win puts us 2-0 in the division with head to head wins over the closest competitors. In the conference, we're two games behind Seattle and a game behind the Bears. Even though the Bradys have one more win, we're tied in the loss column and have the head to head advantage with another upcoming game. So a win against the Bears and another win over the Bradys would position the Saints right at the top of the conference. It's likely that Seattle will come back to the pack having to play in a division with 2, or possibly 3, other playoff capable teams. Starts this week with the Rams. So with wins over the Bradys, Teddies, and Bears, I'd be rooting for the Bears over the Pack and the rest of the NFC West over the SeaHawks. All this to say that it's certainly not too early for playoff discussions. It's all about wins and positioning. For now just keep hoping for wins for the Saints and losses for the Pack and SeaHawks. SFIAH
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10-22-2020, 01:22 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by FinSaint Injuries will determine a lot, as always. Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby! st thomas likes this.

10-22-2020, 03:36 PM	#15
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby! I believe that, but DA better quit farting around and guessing crap and make his coaches accountable (Aaron Glenn ) I complained about his coaching technique in the pass. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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10-23-2020, 08:58 AM	#16
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL With only 16 games to make the case, every game is a part of the playoff discussion. With a win over the Bradys week 1, the Saints positioned themselves in a positive place in the division standings. This upcoming game with the Carolina Teddies does the same. A win puts us 2-0 in the division with head to head wins over the closest competitors. In the conference, we're two games behind Seattle and a game behind the Bears. Even though the Bradys have one more win, we're tied in the loss column and have the head to head advantage with another upcoming game. So a win against the Bears and another win over the Bradys would position the Saints right at the top of the conference. It's likely that Seattle will come back to the pack having to play in a division with 2, or possibly 3, other playoff capable teams. Starts this week with the Rams. So with wins over the Bradys, Teddies, and Bears, I'd be rooting for the Bears over the Pack and the rest of the NFC West over the SeaHawks. All this to say that it's certainly not too early for playoff discussions. It's all about wins and positioning. For now just keep hoping for wins for the Saints and losses for the Pack and SeaHawks. SFIAH Yea, save your typing brother, I read all of that the first time you posted it. You want to talk about it so enjoy, and for similar reasons as you have stated some people who have nothing better to do talk playoffs after free agency or the first round of the draft. The "ifs" are unlimited at this point and the Saints are not consistent enough to talk playoffs with only 1 Division and 2 Conference games behind us. Everyone says we are talented enough to win it but I don't see that. - I see a struggling defensive secondary that is a QBs wet dream because of its propensity for pass interference. One that is led by a mediocre Defensive Coach that has a reputation for changing the defense once a lead is established and then blowing said 20 point lead... constantly. - The common theme is "if we can only stay healthy".. Well no team gets through a season and wins a SB with their season opening roster 100% in tact. We have talent but in many key positions we do not have "depth of talent". Some times 2 2M players for one position produces better for a season than 1-3.75M and 1-250k player. It isn't sexy but its reliable and consistent. - Our offense has not found its groove and we get things done in spite of being out of sync. Looking back over the last 10 years, we had more consistent offenses before super stars like Jimmy Graham and Michael Thomas, they were so good that they allowed the rest of the talent to be sub par and created a false confidence in the whole team. A talented roster on paper doesn't win championships, consistently good play does and we aren't that yet, haven't been for a couple years now.. We lose to crap teams and rookie QBs way too often, almost consistently. This is why I don't talk playoffs yet. I am not a glass half full or glass half empty person.. I am more of a glass at 50% of its v/v capacity kind of guy and managed to lay all of that out with out guessing if we will win or lose Sunday. gosaints1 likes this.
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10-23-2020, 10:53 AM	#17
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,774	Re: Playoff berth and positioning It's a completely different discussion once the season has started and is now nearly halfway through For teams like the Fal'cants the season is effectively over with 5 current losses all in the conference. The Saints are not in that position right now. Like it or not, the next 3 games are essentially playoff games for the Saints. Lose 2 out of three and they are out of the running. Win all three, they are back in the running for the #1 seed no matter how they've played up until now. It's not just that I want to talk about playoff positioning, which IIRC is the title of this thread, but that in reality we are already there. SFIAH neugey and gosaints1 like this.
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10-23-2020, 01:12 PM	#18
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Basically, injuries derailed our season the last couple of years. We have the talent to win it all. We just need to be able to put our best players on the field so that they can do their thing and win. Just win baby! The Niners had more players land on IR (14) in 2019 than us yet they still managed to win the NFC & subsequent Super Bowl invite. gosaints1 likes this.

10-23-2020, 04:34 PM	#19
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,607 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by FinSaint Injuries will determine a lot, as always.

10-23-2020, 05:08 PM	#20
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Playoff berth and positioning Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL It's not just that I want to talk about playoff positioning, which IIRC is the title of this thread, but that in reality we are already there. SFIAH Exactly. There is a high number of terrible teams in the NFC this year. The entire NFC East, the Vikings and the Falcons, at the minimum, are all already basically out of the way. Carolina and Detroit are not real threats. So presuming we hold up reasonably well, we are already positioning for playoffs. And it's going to be weird this year, for all the teams, because that normally vital push for seeding and HFA is more or less a non-factor this year. gosaints1 likes this.