Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

I made this point in the off-season and a bunch of the Saints beat reporters quickly tried to correct me, saying Jenkins will bring a veteran presence and is better in coverage.

So far he looks just as useless as his first stint here and the D as a whole look confused. After a big play you just see them looking around like who's fault was that?

Vonn was a turnover machine with forced fumbles too, our D is shockingly last in the league in turnovers generated.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

I disagree on this one. Von Bell is grading out horribly over there in Cincy, and we’re rated a position higher in pass defense than we were last year. The issues that persist with the Saints defense have been consistent. Pass interference, third downs, and giving up big plays at bad times. That was here when Bell was here. It was here when Byrd was here. It’s been like that since the loss of Sharper.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

Bell is limited. He's performed poorly thus far in Cincy.

We would have the same issues if he was still in New Orleans.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

Who’s doing this “grading?” Please don’t tell me you as a football player are using PFF as a reference.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

But we didn’t have the same issue when he was in New Orleans.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

We can have Ed Reed and Earl Thomas in his prime back there and somehow they will look bad in New Orleans. It's very rare that you have 4 DB's looking bad in the same game. That speaks to the coordinator. You gotta simplify it.

DENNIS ALLEN's scheme is trash.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

I agree that Dennis Allen is trash for sure.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

Great rookie season until the Vikes debacle. He just hasn't looked the same since. Decent ball skills. Below average tackler. Playing safety in today's NFL is brutal. You can't hit anyone. If you touch anyone you're flagged. Vertical routes are ran on every passing down. And the NFL has a lot of freakishly talented TE's. If any team offers him above average to high end money, he shouldn't need an agent to sign the deal.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

When was our secondary consistently better than mediocre?

Mediocre for a Saints defense or an NFL defense?... I looked all the way back to 2007 and we haven't been better than 18th in the league for pass defense every year except the ones noted below. .

In 2013 we were 2nd and in 2010 we were 4rh.

Vonn Bell years 2016-2019
2016 31st
2017 18th
2018 29th
2019 19th


Lewis has a great year and Lattimore had a great year or so years but nothing more than that.

Re: USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents
 

I use the DVOA rankings as their algorithm is more appropriate to the real game..., and not fantasy football. For example. A RB rushes four times for a total of four yards in a game, that’s all he does. While another RB rushes four times for 60 yards. Which one had a greater impact on their respective team? It’s not always the higher yards. The RB with four yards may have been responsible for four first downs, allowing drives to continue while the other RB’s offense may have been in 4th and 20 on each of his 15 yard runs (4 rushes 60 yards), effectively doing nothing to help his team. Their algorithm also accounts for garbage time stats, among many other things. Here is their explanation:

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/info/methods

And here are the rankings, you can slide down from year to year. Their rankings may not be your cup of tea, but I find them to be extremely valuable when looking at real game, tangible analytics. As opposed to fantasy football stats.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...m-defense/2020

Many differing analytics to use though, find one you agree with on a philosophical level..., but, a static metric like yards allowed rarely, if ever tells the whole story.