USA Today Saints Wire | Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents

jeanpierre · 10-22-2020, 04:53 PM

Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider...

He was the second highest rated safety in the NFL his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary...

Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays...

So is it the player or the coaching/scheme?

dizzle88 · 10-22-2020, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider...

He was the second highest rated safety his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary...

Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays...

So is it the player or the coaching/scheme?

I think its always been the scheme, but Dennis Allen has a job for life whilst Payton is around.

In Latts case though, he has something else going on. The fact that he can't get himself amped up unless it's against Mike Evans is troubling.

Sainters7 · 10-24-2020, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

In Latts case though, he has something else going on. The fact that he can't get himself amped up unless it's against Mike Evans is troubling.

Lattimore has been my favourite player on the roster since his rookie year, so I don't want it to sound like I'm just throwing shade on him...but I think he's just straight up lazy. He strikes me as the kinda guy that's gonna put on 40-50 lbs within a couple years after retiring.

AsylumGuido · 10-24-2020, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Lattimore has been my favourite player on the roster since his rookie year, so I don't want it to sound like I'm just throwing shade on him...but I think he's just straight up lazy. He strikes me as the kinda guy that's gonna put on 40-50 lbs within a couple years after retiring.

Thank God, I lost 43 pounds after retiring. But, I may have put on ten this last week traveling down Route 66 eating at nothing but roadside diners.

jlouhill · 10-25-2020, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Thank God, I lost 43 pounds after retiring. But, I may have put on ten this last week traveling down Route 66 eating at nothing but roadside diners.

I’m right there with ya on that AG. I’m a trucker but I try to stay away from the diners as they will put serious weight on in a heartbeat, but eating sandwiches in the cab every night gets old sometimes. 😉

AsylumGuido · 10-25-2020, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by jlouhill

I’m right there with ya on that AG. I’m a trucker but I try to stay away from the diners as they will put serious weight on in a heartbeat, but eating sandwiches in the cab every night gets old sometimes. 😉

But, damn, that diner food is so good. And you have to eat it when doing the historic Mother Road trip. I think I have convinced my wife that I need to buy a good dependable '57 Chevy to make the whole trip in sometime soon.

jlouhill · 10-28-2020, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But, damn, that diner food is so good. And you have to eat it when doing the historic Mother Road trip. I think I have convinced my wife that I need to buy a good dependable '57 Chevy to make the whole trip in sometime soon.

I know it’s hard to pass up. I like the ‘57 Chevy idea.

rezburna · 10-22-2020, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider...

He was the second highest rated safety his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary...

Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays...

So is it the player or the coaching/scheme?

Definitely scheme. How often do you see Williams single high safety having to cover the entirety of the field? He ain’t Earl Thomas. He ain’t Ed Reed. Only special athletes can do that. If he’s the single high in a cover 3 that’s cool ever now and then, but in cover 1? He ain’t that. They need to run 2 man under and Cover 2. They’d do a lot better keeping **** in front of them in cover 2 and just coming up for the tackle. Take Anzalone out and put Jenkins in as the “LB” dropping deep.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider... He was the second highest rated safety in the NFL his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary... Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays... So is it the player or the coaching/scheme? rezburna likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by jeanpierre Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider... He was the second highest rated safety his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary... Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays... So is it the player or the coaching/scheme? I think its always been the scheme, but Dennis Allen has a job for life whilst Payton is around. In Latts case though, he has something else going on. The fact that he can't get himself amped up unless it's against Mike Evans is troubling.

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Sainters7 Registered Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 48	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by dizzle88 In Latts case though, he has something else going on. The fact that he can't get himself amped up unless it's against Mike Evans is troubling. Lattimore has been my favourite player on the roster since his rookie year, so I don't want it to sound like I'm just throwing shade on him...but I think he's just straight up lazy. He strikes me as the kinda guy that's gonna put on 40-50 lbs within a couple years after retiring. rezburna likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by Sainters7 Lattimore has been my favourite player on the roster since his rookie year, so I don't want it to sound like I'm just throwing shade on him...but I think he's just straight up lazy. He strikes me as the kinda guy that's gonna put on 40-50 lbs within a couple years after retiring. Thank God, I lost 43 pounds after retiring. But, I may have put on ten this last week traveling down Route 66 eating at nothing but roadside diners. Sainters7, jeanpierre and jlouhill like this.

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jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Thank God, I lost 43 pounds after retiring. But, I may have put on ten this last week traveling down Route 66 eating at nothing but roadside diners. I’m right there with ya on that AG. I’m a trucker but I try to stay away from the diners as they will put serious weight on in a heartbeat, but eating sandwiches in the cab every night gets old sometimes. 😉 iceshack149, Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by jlouhill I’m right there with ya on that AG. I’m a trucker but I try to stay away from the diners as they will put serious weight on in a heartbeat, but eating sandwiches in the cab every night gets old sometimes. 😉 But, damn, that diner food is so good. And you have to eat it when doing the historic Mother Road trip. I think I have convinced my wife that I need to buy a good dependable '57 Chevy to make the whole trip in sometime soon. jlouhill likes this.

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jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But, damn, that diner food is so good. And you have to eat it when doing the historic Mother Road trip. I think I have convinced my wife that I need to buy a good dependable '57 Chevy to make the whole trip in sometime soon. I know it’s hard to pass up. I like the ‘57 Chevy idea.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,110	Re: USA Today Saints Wire \| Amid a contract year, Saints safety Marcus Williams changes agents Originally Posted by jeanpierre Know I can be a bit of an apologist for Mr. Marcus as I'm a big fan of his, but there's a couple of points to consider... He was the second highest rated safety his rookie year and he has regressed - and it's not just him, but the entire secondary... Lattimore has regressed; Crawley came out great and regressed; Apple was playing great, injury, never the same; Jackrabbit was a second shut-down CB and then he started giving up big plays... So is it the player or the coaching/scheme? Definitely scheme. How often do you see Williams single high safety having to cover the entirety of the field? He ain’t Earl Thomas. He ain’t Ed Reed. Only special athletes can do that. If he’s the single high in a cover 3 that’s cool ever now and then, but in cover 1? He ain’t that. They need to run 2 man under and Cover 2. They’d do a lot better keeping **** in front of them in cover 2 and just coming up for the tackle. Take Anzalone out and put Jenkins in as the “LB” dropping deep. gosaints1 likes this.
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