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Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ****
Once we get our guys back the offense is going to be even better. If we could somehow get the defense to not look like ****, I think we are going to be fine.
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We aren’t winning anything if they don’t fix the defense. Plain and simple.
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There’s issues in the secondary. No doubt about it, but this far from the worse we seen and it’s not even close to being the worse defense in the NFL. The Seahawks are winning games with that sorry ass defense they have. Let’s look at the Panthers game.
The Panthers rushed for 37 yards! 2.6 yards per carry. This defense continues to be ELITE when it comes to stopping the run year in and year out. We gave up 246 yards through the air which isn’t too bad. We gave up 24 points, which is really decent and right around our average in games when Brees doesn’t throw a costly interception that results in 6. It’s really not that bad. |
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Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve.
I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion? |
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Saints secondary has sucked bigly since the great super bowl victory... started with that dude from Texas....and just got worse since.
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If you're wondering why Jenkins was mediocre here then looked better in Philly to only return to look mediocre again. Or why all the talent (Latt/Janoris/CGJ) we have in the secondary isn't translating to an improved secondary. If you can't come up with an answer, you're focusing on the wrong unit. This is a coaching and scheme issue. The obvious answer is the answer. Talented players are underperforming or regressing since their rookie (Latt/Ceedy Deuce) year.
It's NOT the players. It's what they're being asked to do. |
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Williams - doesn't read the QB and gets baited - misses tackles consistently - doesn't track the ball in the air leading to PI Jenkins - clearly doesn't know his assignments (blown so many coverages) - misses tackles - guesses wrong too often - can't cover 1v1 against any TE or shifty slot WR CGJ - regressing this year - consistently getting beat by TEs - getting beat by slot WRs - allows free releases - PI machine when the ball is in the air These 3 guys are playing at PS level this year, if their play doesn't improve our D will continue to suck. Allen is getting blamed for the play calls too often on here. He isn't calling plays allowing for people to run wide open, he isn't calling plays that involve missed tackles, he isn't calling plays that involve PI. Position coaches have more responsibility over the poor performance than the play calling. |
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Players gotta make plays. Coaches gotta coach up talent. Its a complete circle. Allen's name doesn't get mentioned enough for poor performances from this group. |
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Why in the hell is he man on man with Robbie Anderson last week? Ceedy is a safety & his strength is making plays near the line as well as being allowed to roam the secondary. How about poor scheme? Does that fall on Sean, Dennis Allen or Glenn? Game saving tackle by Lattimore vs the Chargers and a game saving sack by Davenport vs Carolina show me the players are giving their best efforts but they aren’t being put in the best situations. |
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Papz,
I totally get it on the players though. If one player regresses, the blame likely falls on the player. If the whole unit regresses, it points toward coaching. |
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Rez, they were one player away named McCafery that would change that outcome possibly. Just saying our troubles aren’t over By a long shot. DA needs a foot in his asre if u ask me. I’m fed up Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I heard deuce mc commit on I believe it’s Marcus Williams that it’s time to pull that dude he can’t correct his play it’s time to move on
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Try MJ or Swearinger at Free Safety if you don't plan on making a trade before the deadline. You can't continue to hold Marcus Williams hand forever. |
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I honestly don’t know why Earl Thomas isn’t here. The Saints want to run the Cover 1/Cover 3 style defense that Seattle ran but with more emphasis on Cover 1...so why not go get the guy that’s used to it? That’s his specialty. He can handle the center fielder style of play.
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Our issues... like tackling and not getting PIs are fundamental mistakes made by players on the field. What specifically do you think Allen is doing wrong? |
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Or am I off base here? |
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See post #10, last sentence. It keeps happening year after year with this defense. No matter what players we have during that season, the results are the same. At some point the buck stops at Dennis Allen. From bad schemes to not adjusting during the game, we’ve said all of the same things before about him. Pro bowl players come here and become mediocre, 1st round draft picks regress. At this point if he hasn’t even benched anybody to at least set an example, Marcus should be benched. Lattimore - regression since rookie season. Williams - see above- has been in DA system 4 years now but still lost in coverage. MJ - avg player in NO, a start with the Eagles, immediate regression in NO. PRob - see above Jenoris - good corner but he's regressed. Eli - initially he was improvement after leaving NY but regressed in NO. Ken trash can Crawley - played out of his mind in 2017, only to regress. PJ Williams - he's a Six Flags roller coast ride. Devante Harris - TERRIBLE NFL player, but Allen thought he could start :rolleyes::rolleyes: Do you think Bellichick, Tomlin, Harbaugh or Andy Reid would allow poor, repetitive behavior from player(s) this long? SIMPLIFY the defense & coach these guys up. |
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Or Are you saying all of these players should be benched and they just aren't pulling the trigger? I guess we aren't taking into account the improvements Allen has made with this team... Every year since Allen has taken over he has improved the D. 2015- ranked 31st 2016- 27th 2017- 17th 2018- 14th 2019- 11th 2020- so far 7th Think about that we are ranked 7th right now, but 24th in points... you know why? Players giving penalty yards at a crazy rate (worst in the league). Is Allen coaching players to give up penalty yards? My point of view- our locker-room is cancerous and that is allowing sloppy undisciplined play to occur because players aren't taking lead and captains in the locker-room aren't holding each other accountable. |
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The problem is we don't have very much turnover (J. Jenkins & Baun being the only 2 new players; M. Jenkins played under DA while here the first time) and yet we constantly have guys out of place or making the wrong reads. These guys should know this system by heart and yet they look like they are playing a brand new system every game. SIMPLIFY THE DEFENSE. Get guys on the same page. That is completely on coaching. If you don't see this, not sure what to tell you. |
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Is it Dennis Allen or Aaron Glenn... or both.
Swapping the d-coordinator mid season is troublesome, since the defense isn't bottom of the league. Maybe a new secondary coach could be a wake-up call even if Glenn's not the reason for the bad secondary performance. |
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A bad pass defense is a bad pass defense. Allowing more passing TD’s than any other team in the league just isn’t championship level football. Play has been bad also. I’ve seen more defensive backs late to their assignments than I’ve ever seen before. That’s not coaching, those are just missed assignments. I’m not overly fond of Dennis Allen and regardless of who to blame, ultimately it’s either his scheme failure or his leadership failure that has allowed the defense to be rock bottom in passing TD’s allowed. |
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It’s both , does anyone see this defense can completely turn this around into a super bowl de. I really was giving them to the midpoint to (get it ) it’s looking grim Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The offense is slowly getting better each week. However, the defense gets worse each week....I will admit that Davenport helped the front seven but the back end still needs help desperately.
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Doom and gloom.
I don't get it. Y'all are acting as if the defense is horrible. They got beat early with tons of penalties. Those are getting under control recently. They are not getting shredded by opposing offenses. They have one of the very best run defenses in the league. Of course teams are going to have to turn to the pass and they'll get a big play here or there. In case y'all haven't been paying attention big pass plays are the norm across the whole league this season. |
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No player has more INTs since 2007. |
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