Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ****

hitta · 10-27-2020, 08:22 AM

Once we get our guys back the offense is going to be even better. If we could somehow get the defense to not look like ****, I think we are going to be fine.

The Dude · 10-27-2020, 09:05 AM

We aren’t winning anything if they don’t fix the defense. Plain and simple.

rezburna · 10-27-2020, 09:47 AM

There’s issues in the secondary. No doubt about it, but this far from the worse we seen and it’s not even close to being the worse defense in the NFL. The Seahawks are winning games with that sorry ass defense they have. Let’s look at the Panthers game.

The Panthers rushed for 37 yards! 2.6 yards per carry. This defense continues to be ELITE when it comes to stopping the run year in and year out. We gave up 246 yards through the air which isn’t too bad. We gave up 24 points, which is really decent and right around our average in games when Brees doesn’t throw a costly interception that results in 6. It’s really not that bad.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-27-2020, 10:35 AM

Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve.

I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion?

mapcow · 10-27-2020, 10:50 AM

Saints secondary has sucked bigly since the great super bowl victory... started with that dude from Texas....and just got worse since.

K Major · 10-27-2020, 11:32 AM

If you're wondering why Jenkins was mediocre here then looked better in Philly to only return to look mediocre again. Or why all the talent (Latt/Janoris/CGJ) we have in the secondary isn't translating to an improved secondary. If you can't come up with an answer, you're focusing on the wrong unit. This is a coaching and scheme issue. The obvious answer is the answer. Talented players are underperforming or regressing since their rookie (Latt/Ceedy Deuce) year.

It's NOT the players. It's what they're being asked to do.

Rugby Saint II · 10-27-2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve.

I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion?

That is the same thing I see when I watch our defense play. Bad coaching and Jenkins are killing us. Oh yes, Williams straight up sucks!

blackangold · 10-27-2020, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve.

I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion?

Safety and Slot CB seems to be the problem.

Williams
- doesn't read the QB and gets baited
- misses tackles consistently
- doesn't track the ball in the air leading to PI

Jenkins
- clearly doesn't know his assignments (blown so many coverages)
- misses tackles
- guesses wrong too often
- can't cover 1v1 against any TE or shifty slot WR

CGJ
- regressing this year
- consistently getting beat by TEs
- getting beat by slot WRs
- allows free releases
- PI machine when the ball is in the air

These 3 guys are playing at PS level this year, if their play doesn't improve our D will continue to suck.

Allen is getting blamed for the play calls too often on here. He isn't calling plays allowing for people to run wide open, he isn't calling plays that involve missed tackles, he isn't calling plays that involve PI. Position coaches have more responsibility over the poor performance than the play calling.

K Major · 10-27-2020, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Allen is getting blamed for the play calls too often on here. He isn't calling plays allowing for people to run wide open, he isn't calling plays that involve missed tackles, he isn't calling plays that involve PI. Position coaches have more responsibility over the poor performance than the play calling.

Dennis Allen's forte with the Saints is the secondary. As Def Coordinator, fix it or find replacements for him and Glenn.

Players gotta make plays. Coaches gotta coach up talent. Its a complete circle.

Allen's name doesn't get mentioned enough for poor performances from this group.

K Major · 10-27-2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

CGJ
- regressing this year
- consistently getting beat by TEs
- getting beat by slot WRs
- allows free releases
- PI machine when the ball is in the air

Interesting take on a promising dawg but do you know why he's "regressing in year 2?

Why in the hell is he man on man with Robbie Anderson last week? Ceedy is a safety & his strength is making plays near the line as well as being allowed to roam the secondary.

How about poor scheme? Does that fall on Sean, Dennis Allen or Glenn?

Game saving tackle by Lattimore vs the Chargers and a game saving sack by Davenport vs Carolina show me the players are giving their best efforts but they aren’t being put in the best situations.

10-27-2020, 08:22 AM	#1
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10-27-2020, 09:47 AM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like **** There’s issues in the secondary. No doubt about it, but this far from the worse we seen and it’s not even close to being the worse defense in the NFL. The Seahawks are winning games with that sorry ass defense they have. Let’s look at the Panthers game. The Panthers rushed for 37 yards! 2.6 yards per carry. This defense continues to be ELITE when it comes to stopping the run year in and year out. We gave up 246 yards through the air which isn’t too bad. We gave up 24 points, which is really decent and right around our average in games when Brees doesn’t throw a costly interception that results in 6. It’s really not that bad. AsylumGuido, 73Saint and gosaints1 like this.
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10-27-2020, 10:35 AM	#4
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** If you're wondering why Jenkins was mediocre here then looked better in Philly to only return to look mediocre again. Or why all the talent (Latt/Janoris/CGJ) we have in the secondary isn't translating to an improved secondary. If you can't come up with an answer, you're focusing on the wrong unit. This is a coaching and scheme issue*. The obvious answer is the answer. Talented players are underperforming* or regressing since their rookie (Latt/Ceedy Deuce) year. It's NOT the players. It's what they're being asked to do. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat** Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve. I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion? That is the same thing I see when I watch our defense play. Bad coaching and Jenkins are killing us. Oh yes, Williams straight up sucks! jnormand likes this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat** Rez I agree that our run defense is doing the job game in game out. What in your opinion is causing the problems in the secondary, is it the Safety play, Williams seems to be out of position most of the time and bites on dropping down to mid level out route coverage allowing the center of the field to be wide open. Malcom Jenkins makes some flash plays but he has been weak covering TE’s exactly what he was brought in to improve. I just don’t get all the broken coverages, DA dropping defensive linemen in to secondary coverages .... what is going on in your opinion? Safety and Slot CB seems to be the problem. Williams - doesn't read the QB and gets baited - misses tackles consistently - doesn't track the ball in the air leading to PI Jenkins - clearly doesn't know his assignments (blown so many coverages) - misses tackles - guesses wrong too often - can't cover 1v1 against any TE or shifty slot WR CGJ - regressing this year - consistently getting beat by TEs - getting beat by slot WRs - allows free releases - PI machine when the ball is in the air These 3 guys are playing at PS level this year, if their play doesn't improve our D will continue to suck. Allen is getting blamed for the play calls too often on here. He isn't calling plays allowing for people to run wide open, he isn't calling plays that involve missed tackles, he isn't calling plays that involve PI. Position coaches have more responsibility over the poor performance than the play calling.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by blackangold Allen is getting blamed for the play calls too often on here. He isn't calling plays allowing for people to run wide open, he isn't calling plays that involve missed tackles, he isn't calling plays that involve PI. Position coaches have more responsibility over the poor performance than the play calling. Dennis Allen's forte with the Saints is the secondary. As Def Coordinator, fix it or find replacements for him and** Glenn. Players gotta make plays. Coaches gotta coach up talent. Its a complete circle. Allen's name doesn't get mentioned enough for poor performances from this group. Rugby Saint II, gosaints1 and Lord_Saint83 like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Offense looks great even without star receivers, the Defense looks like ** Originally Posted by blackangold CGJ - regressing this year - consistently getting beat by TEs - getting beat by slot WRs - allows free releases - PI machine when the ball is in the air Interesting take on a promising dawg but do you know why he's "regressing in year 2? Why in the hell is he man on man with Robbie Anderson last week? Ceedy is a safety & his strength is making plays near the line as well as being allowed to roam the secondary. How about poor scheme? Does that fall on Sean, Dennis Allen** or Glenn? Game saving tackle by Lattimore vs the Chargers and a game saving sack by Davenport vs Carolina show me the players are giving their best efforts but they aren’t being put in the best situations. Rugby Saint II and rezburna like this.
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