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did anyone else notice Drew in the pocket being no where near as elusive? It looked to me a couple of times that he was sort of shuffling along after plays.( ankle ?) Those passes in the dirt could be some on purpose but it appears to me that he was unable to get clear enough to find a passing lane on some of them.

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And yet he still completed 31 of 41 passes. Yeah. I'll take right at 75% completion rate.

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I hope that Payton scratches all out routes off his playbook for Sunday. If Tampa can jump a QB with a decent arm, y’all know I saying rite?


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Brees has a decent arm. You act as if he can’t throw anything.

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A lot of kickers have cannon legs, way more powerful than starting NFL kickers by and large but never make it to the NFL. Same for QB. Worthless skill without precise consistent accuracy. Brees could probably increase his power some but his accuracy would go down with more muscle.

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I didn’t say anything , where u read that at AG. I said out routes. Gees man chill


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You were implying that Brees doesn't have a decent arm and can't throw an out route as good as Daniel Jones. Brees has better than a "decent" arm and I'd trust him throwing any route better than Jones. Some people are under the false impression that Brees is a shell of his former self. He's never had a cannon for an arm, but he's never needed one because of his accuracy and decision making. Brett Favre said when he watches Brees play he looks as good as ever. I trust his judgement as well as my own eyes. I've watched every game that Brees has played in as a Saint and almost all as a Charger.

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Love Drew man...but that's funny AF.

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Pffffft.....careful T....playing with a rabid dog there. Bahahahaha!

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Sacked once, no picks, 2td's and we won the freaking game. On the road 20+ mile an hour winds.

Some people on here could be walking down the street and given a $100 bill for no reason and immediately start wondering why it wasn't $200

Those dump off passes don't show up as rushing attempts, but is what
some of them are. throw deep, sacks go way up, picks go up and and
ypg drop.

Did anyone else notice tape on Drew's right arm sticking out of his sleeve couple inches?

Drew Brees Almost Never Throws Deep Anymore. Is That A Problem For The Saints?
 

It was kinesiology (or KT) tape. It is the same stuff that Kamara always wears all the way down his arm. I'll bet every player in the league has it applied somewhere or other. LOL.

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The tape on Kamara's arms is regular old cover-roll to prevent turf burn. Kinesiology tape is applied differently and generally narrower with splits and contours.

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I suppose you’re right on Kamara but the black tape on Brees definitely appears to be KT.

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Correctamundo

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The one thing that stands out to me is Drew doesn't have the time back there like he used to.
I agree the arm isn't what it used to be but there's nothing wrong with his eyes and he can still read the field with the best of them.

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Oh, I can take criticism unlike ........


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This thread was a lure into AG’s web an I knew it, so don’t back off from ur feelings people voice your opinion weather the man likes it or not. Don’t hit me boss. Lol


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The time back there is the key. Players like Brees gain their power not through their arms, but through their legs. With a solid plant and trunk pivot they can put plenty on the ball. It's called energy transference. If the total motion is as practiced the power is there.

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Brees never had a real long ball, but still set passing records. That said, for several years he has been consistently under throwing receivers on deep routes. I think the D's understand this quite clearly.

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“Energy Transference”? lol, yeah right. That works on the practice field, aka when you’re in a red jersey. Problem with that philosophy is that in real time, aka middle of the game, you’re rarely allowed a perfect pocket for an extended period of time. Bottom line, opposing players aren’t going to respect you wearing a “red jersey” while in the middle of a game.

It’s very simple, DB#9 has been hesitant and indecisive..., he’s double pumped away from an open “shot” play into a checkdown more times than Oprah has said “look under your chair”. And it’s not his OL, they’ve kept him clean throughout this season more so than almost anybody else. 9 sacks in 8 games is pretty darn stingy.

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QB Drew Brees Right Shoulder LP

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Tom House also works with Tom Brady, and several other QB's and pitchers they all get their power through their legs and torso FAR more so than their arms. They all use it in every game, so, yes, it DOES work in games. Not only in a red jersey. It doesn't take any longer to throw with that technique than any other. All it takes is a firm stance. That's why they both are constantly repositioning their bodies while in the pocket. Yet, both Brady and Brees have among the quickest releases in the NFL today. They both spend all year working on their techniques and it doesn't take to ton of time in the pocket.

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I don’t care if he’s working with Jesus Christ, son of the Almighty. Football is a sport built deliberately around moving. Football isn’t croquet, where you line up everything perfectly, make your shot, then walk to the next one. DB#9, along with any other QB who can no longer make non pocket-perfect throws bc of age is robbing Peter to pay Paul, if we’re staying in a religious vernacular. Giving up mobility completely, so “form” can attempt to offset a weakening, possibly already shot, arm is seen by every defense in the league as a weakness, and it limits the Saints offensively bc of it. AK#41 amazes me more every day in spite of DB#9. Sadly, DB#9 has aged into a check down only passer, and it limits our offense..., massively. Every defense in the NFL knows that we can’t go deep, or even pretend to, ever. Every. Single. Defense.

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It comes down to this ...

Do you agree or do you not agree that Brees gives us our best chance at winning as a starter over anyone else on our roster or otherwise available today? If not then who would guarantee us of winning more games now?

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Great questions, and yes I do think DB#9 is our best option in the immediate future. I would be hard pressed to find a reason to bench him, other than injury. Which leads me to a question for you. Why do the Saints sit DB#9 at critical moments in the game, and put the Taysom show in the game? If the answer to the previous question is that DB#9 is the Saints best option, so be it, let him run the offense..., the ENTIRE offense, all the time. Why has he been sat, when healthy?

I’ve never known a “sane” HC to state: “I have the GOAT QB, but nah, I’ma sit him when we need him the most”. That’s the very def’n of insanity..., or stupidity.

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Whilst true and I agree, I think to some degree it depends on the game situation and chess match with the defense.

Not saying that Payton is right to bring Brees out when he does, however I just remember that Taysom was the only reason we were even in the playoff game vs Vikings, Brees came back in after 2 huge plays by Taysom and fumbled the game away.

The fact they aren't letting Taysom throw anything is pretty telling to me though.

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I rarely complain about anything other than bad calls while watching a Saints game. The one time that I do is when Payton inserts Taysom and especially when Brees is on a roll. He's certainly not putting Taysom in there for his arm. He has still only attempted 16 passes in his regular season career and only three this season. Taysom never enters the game to run a base play. It invariably involves some sort of gimmick. He comes in more as a wildcat than a QB. He does give us a better chance on a running play, but give me Brees with a yard or less any day.

But back to Brees. Can you explain why some people complain so much about Brees and his inadequacies if he's our best and only option to winning games at QB? Is it only because he isn't everything he used to be? That just brings me back to my age old argument of what good does it do to complain over something that is out of your control, or even out of the control of the team? Do you think it makes the complainer feel better in some sort of way? It seems to me that it would have the opposite effect.

Puzzling. :confused:

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It’s not puzzling at all. You’re def’n of “complaining” is different than mine, I don’t speak for anybody else, but I just state my case as my eyes see it, and if the stats back it up, then I point out that also. Being critical is not complaining, to me, bc I don’t have an 19-0 expectation or the opposite 0-19 hope. Nor am I a “homer” to anybody, including DB#9. I want him to succeed bc I want the Saints to succeed. Also, I see every player as a cost benefit analysis in that “how much does this guy cost vs how productive is he” is the question I ask. And none of that is compared to what a player did for our organization more than a decade ago. And it’s that simple. Your personality seems to be very <fingers in ears> “LA LA LA LA LA LA, <screaming> I CANT HEAR YOU” while ppl like me state “oof, that was a bad pass”. Not everybody is like you though, and it’s not unreasonable for ppl to want DB#9 to succeed while simultaneously pointing out his deficiencies as he ages.

My friend, feel free to blindly follow only the positive, you do you, lol. Nothing wrong with fans like you, God bless you for your rampant and blind fanaticism. But, almost everybody here is a Saints fan. We’re just all different ppl, differing personalities, differing expectations and hopes for the Saints. And we express our feelings in varying different ways. I’ve never understood the “we’re all in now” or “one last hurrah” mantra that has been propagated throughout all of Saintsdom. It bothers me tremendously. What happened to the last decade? Why were we not all in for those years? Is DB#9 the only Saint playing that deserves a SB?

Oh, Brees isn’t our only option. There are two other QB’s on the roster. One we know can throw for 5,000 yards right now also, and the other who seems to have been “chosen” as the heir apparent. I’ve ALWAYS believed, still do, that may the player who best runs the entire playbook be named the starter. But, that’s not my call, I’m just a fan..., one who has eyes though and is not blind to the current circumstances.

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Is there a limit to being critical or does it require sharing the criticism repeatedly? This is a general question. Not necessarily directed your way. Some repeat certain criticisms at every opportunity ad nauseum. To me personally it grows from a simple statement of opinion into a chorus of fingernails on a chalkboard after a period of time. That's when it turns into complaining to me.

And, no. Brees isn't our only option. Neither is Kamara. But both are the only options that make us the most competitive at their positions. That's what I meant by "best and only".

And which QB is it that can throw for 5000 yards right now in Sean Payton's currently designed offense? We have two that have thrown for 5000 in a year, but only one that has proved he can do it using Payton's scheme.

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If you don’t like any commentary, feel free to put your opinion in also, should you feel inclined to do so. Trust me, I almost walked away from here after viewing the commentary very early on, but I’m glad I stayed. I’ve learned a lot from our peers here, including you. That being said, A 5,000 yard passer is a 5,000 yard passer is a 5,000 yard passer. Using your logic, no passer other than DB#9 can pass for 5,000 yards in a CSP offense..., bc they have never done so, lol. That makes no sense, at all. Nobody knows what Winston can do. Heck, we really don’t know what Taysom can do. When Coach says it’s time to move away from DB#9, I’m ready. Actually I’m anxious and eager. I get excited for the future, I’m bored of the recent past. Regardless, it’s not my call to make. I give praise also, where I feel praise is due, and I defend players when it’s not in the best of interest of my “reputation” lol around here. But, I make my cases, and move on. If someone disproves my views to my satisfaction then I change my view. I’m not perfect, and don’t expect my statements to be without faults. They are just opinions amigo. The overwhelmingly majority of posts here are nothing but op/ed. Contrary to what you believe of yourself, I view your opinions as nothing more than that..., opinions. No greater, no more less than anybody else.

Cheers my friend, grab a glass of a good red wine, relax. It’s a beautiful world and life, even with all the harrumph’ing around, lol, and I’ve done my share of that. But..., I’ll do it with a smile on my face and sans anger in my heart.

Take care.

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Excuse me? But when have I ever declared my opinions as more than opinions? As for anger, I am as chill about life as anyone. Anger is a waste of emotions. I can't tell you how many times I have just suggested people chill out here over the past decade or more.

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Good luck with that.

Again, good luck with that. I’m not the one trying to figure out why there is critical speech around here, you are.

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Perhaps I just need to leave.

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This forum, imho, is better off with more voices, not less.

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Bree’s QBR 106.7 for 7th place in the NFL. This has been without his #1 receiver Since week 1 .... Facts are facts

Opinion ... Put a defense in the picture from week 1 we might be 7-0.

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Yes. But, it's certainly not a be all end all. Not being able to score on one big play increases the margin of error in regards to you scoring. It also tightens the defense and gives them more chances to stop you. However, Brees, Kamara, Thomas, and even the OLine as a unit, all posses elite NFL talent. Lutz and Harris are also elite on special teams.

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All true but if there were a better option to put a win week after week on the board sitting behind Brees he would be playing ... long ball is nice and I would like to see it but game but this week this season barring injury CSP is playing Brees.

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What’s going to win this game is pressure on Tom Brady :bng: