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The last 3 bullets have nothing to do with the game and 90% of the rest would be better served in a "why I don't like Sean Payton, Drew Brees, or Alvin Kamara" blog. Not even an honorable mention for pulling that game out of our azz? I’m not saying what you have written aren’t valid issues, to be quite honest our dead horse kicking is as predictable as Sean Payton’s play calling. |
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The weirdest event for me in that game was Morestead not spinning the laces.
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What's the fixation on Intended Air Yards/Pass Attempt? And can you no longer simply enjoy the game for what it is ... a game, my friend. We won and currently have the 2nd best record in the NFC. Although, I guess it does get your mind off two 1st's and a 5th.
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Positives -
- Played a cleaner game and penalties were lower, particularly PI and holding. - Kickoff execution/coverage and kickoff returns were executed wonderfully. We are probably one of the best teams in the league at this. - Did a great job taking Jimmy Graham out of the game - Protected Brees as well as could be expected vs a pretty solid Bears pass rush - TreQuan Smith looked better and made some key catches Negatives - The much-lamented OT clock management - The redshirting of Baun and Trautman. I have a hard time believing both of them are coming along this slowly. - Almost all of the time when we run outside, it seems to be to the left. The Bears caught on and crashed left and the right side of the field looked wide open. This killed a few of our drives. - Morstead has looked very mortal this year with his punting. I consistently saw a lot better punting on Saturday watching college games. If he has another bad year we need to consider moving on. - the dropsies by Kamara on the swing passes Areas to improve - get Taysom under center for short yardage. Make the defense have to worry about Taysom's raw power on a sneak and Kamara's shifty running. - play under center more and take advantage of the rollout. Maybe it has to be Taysom on these plays if Brees does not do it well. Almost every other team in the league has this in their arsenal, even the Falcons. The Packers and Titans are an example of teams that do this quite well. Rollout plays are very difficult to stop and keep defenses on their heels. We're behind the curve. - We are not putting a man in motion to dissect the defense and give ourselves route running advantages the way we should. Brees and Payton should be able to scheme players open for easy, safe completions and I don't see much of it anymore. - The 2nd and 1 playcalling was quite conservative. QB sneak, FB dive on a down-and-distance where the offense has the greatest advantage doesn't make a lot of sense. - Need more jet sweeps and misdirection for Tommylee, Deonte or Taysom to keep defenses from keying on Kamara. Player to draft - DE Ossai from Texas. That guy is a gamer, looks like Khalil Mack at this point. |
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When you recognize the signs of the same car wreck like it's Groundhog Day and you want your hometown team not to repeat the same scripted exit from the tournament, I see two healthy choices...
You can either voice your dissent or just enjoy things till eliminated from the tournament... One thing I do notice is that when some have a different opinion about how the Sean Payton-led Saints are operating and it doesn't sync with a Lollipops and Rainbows attitude some make personal push-back... There's certainly some passive-aggressive psycho-analysis content in the post vs just arguing the post(s) on their merits... So maybe we can stop with the passive-aggressive DMing behind the scenes getting others to your cause because you can't win your argument(s)? We all have our personal baggage and some manage it more than others; Disclosure - SmashMouth has known me for nearly forty years (though I learned few years ago who Smash was here - we laughed about it)... And just for notice, Smash can attest I'm very familiar with navigating many of the passive-aggressive behind-the-scenes kind of f*ckery that some have tipped their toe into that water here... So if you want to say something, please just engage, don't have someone else msg me - this isn't the High School little girls' prom court; and be man, or woman, enough to admit when you're wrong or agree to disagree... Now, the local media is marginalized by an over-bearing, tight-fisted VP of Communications; and any and all criticism of Sean Payton's coaching, management in the Press will result in retaliatory consequences by him... Having a few media friends in the City, I've witnessed this first-hand a couple of times, so maybe I just might have more insight than some of you into that aspect of the team of zero tolerance for public criticism... When you give someone absolute control of any organization, or even nation for that matter, and even a genuine press is unable to check that individual - it usually results in a long-winding, deteriorating spiral... We've had the most accomplished passer in NFL history and only one title to show for it; sure, there's a lot of luck involved with the tournament, but but if your watching events with an open, critical mind, you'd see trends... My former position, if you go back and review, was that Brees and his agent were being greedy and Brees was the beneficiary of Payton's system; like a big boy, I can admit when I'm wrong and reversed it... Reversed it because I can see the same repetitive mistakes by Sean Payton has resulted in mediocrity results despite one of the best, if not the best, well-stocked rosters in the NFL... So coming here, stating one's take in a logical, clear manner, inserting a lil' sarcasm and humour to go with it (if you're not too sensitive to the criticism), is a perfectly healthy outlet... I've blocked no one on this site because I'm not some mental weakling who needs a safe space to operate; but if what I or someone else makes uncomfortable post(s), please block the posts if that'll help you... I've had my share of clashes with personalities here over the years, and I choose first to question the post, not the poster; but I'm more than willing to accommodate those who choose to make it personal... |
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Now, for some not old enough, Jim Mora's coaching staff would often develop talent that went elsewhere, sometimes the A-T-L, and perform great, so I get having players contributing immediately... And other than 2006 and 2017, when Payton was backed into a corner, did we see rookies employed immediately, and often with great success... Also, true Kamara has got to catch those passes, but the zip has been declining and it was exposed in a windy Chicago; Kamara on those passes you refer should not be the primary receiver... It harkens back to the days of Bobby Hebert looking for Dalton Hilliard first because Mora didn't trust Hebert to push the ball downfield; whether it's a Brees' confidence or Payton issue, teams are keying on Kamara now... |
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You guys are need to turn off the TV if you seriously think MT is getting traded.....for what its worth there arent too many defenses out there this season that look like world stoppers. My main issue is DA I really deel like he isn't fit for the job. We are down our 3 starting WRs so I'm reserv8ng a true opinion on the offense until then. Cam might be playing hurt because last week Granderson took some of his snaps. I feel like we need to run more 2TE sets utilizing Ttrautman more and giving Brees a bigger target instead of 5ft8 WR. Trautmam and Baun NOT getting playing time....just to start them next year and wonder why they are a step behind. I can live with targeting Trautman over TommyLeeLewis. Anzalone looks a step to slow for me personally and DD has been off this year as well its like everyone has regressed on defense NOT one person is pöayong better. I would love to see more Malcolm Roach. Im convinced DA doesnt know his Personnel and MAYBE JUST MAYBE AARON GLEN should go as well, jusz saying
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I can grust none of yall opinion on Marcus Williams because yall are the same ones that said Roman Harper was better than Malcolm Jenkins and we see how their respective careers turned out when they left. We havent a consistent DB here since Jabari Greer. Its scheme and coaching im telling you. DA doesnt play to his players strength we run press man coverage ALL DAY and our corners gove up a big play everytime in that coverage. At what point do you adjust for the players to be able to make plays?
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How does every single one of your players take step(s) back this year. Thats bogger than players issue thats a coaching scheme issue
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I am waiting for our entire secondary to go rogue and play the way they want, towards their strengths. DA cant bench everyone, there aren't enough people.
It's hard to accuratly say why some players careers have different levels of success when they leave but maybe we don't have to look elsewhere. 1 whole season Marshon Lattimore looks amazing (considered shut down) , then nothing. 1 whole season Keenan Lewis looks amazing (considered shut down) then nothing. Who is screwing with things? Players don't go from great to sucks in a single off-season. Our secondary is consistently 1-2 steps behind which is reaction speed (having to think) oriented. Some time they are completely out of place which is unfamiliarity with the plan. Everything points to someone fu#$ing with things in the offseason. I think there are times when Dennis Allan abandons his plan in the 4th and we see our defense come out and stop the other team in its tracks for a series or two. I could be entirely off the mark but if Sean Payton ran his team like Jerry Jones he would have trouble finding and keeping DCs. They don't leave they get terminated. |
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I still don’t understand why we’re sitting here talking about defense. We shouldn’t be looking for the defense to be the strength of a team with an offensive minded coach. I expect the offense to perform the way they’re supposed to.
I expect a HOF QB to put up points like one. I expect us to get 6 points when we get into the redzone regardless who the defense is. I expect a “HOF” coach to call better plays. Playcalling has been a problem week in and week out for years. I know...but look at the PPG and yards then right? Cool. Look at where I defense is ranked then. How many years did people say if we even had a middle of the pack defense we could win the Super Bowl? Now we gotta have the 2001 Super Bowl Champs defense for people to be satisfied. We give up big plays? Yeah. So does every other defense in the NFL. I was watching Harrison Smith give up plays in coverage right before the Saints game. **** happens. When we have a chance to score TD’s we need to score TD’s. Period. The New Orleans Saints should never get 3 and outted on offense. Not with all that hype surrounding Brees, Kamara, and Payton. |
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Having Brees all these years, unfettered organization power, and only one SuperBowl title? I'm no longer on that bandwagon... |
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Ever noticed some established stars come here, or come back, and there's a nothing-to-report report about some exchange on the sideline or in the locker room? |
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Know once teams get film, adjustments are made, but we've seen a regression, decline in execution on the field that was rarely made their rookie seasons... |
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At a high level when I look at the two squads yesterday I see an offense with multiple injuries listed not meeting expectations and a defense with zero injuries listed not meeting expectations. I also saw a HOF punter not spin the FU$%ing laces on a FG which is a huge WTF moment.... I think part of Paytons play calling is actually his methodology. He calls plays based on his gut and when you do that on a small level you become unpredictable, when you do that on a large scale you become extremely predictable because your gut responses tend to be consistently the same based on the same environmental influences if that makes sense... sort of like fight or flight instantly narrows possible actions. This is 2020, I am taking the whole year with a grain of salt.. |
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Three things that need to happen with this team right now... Starts at the top with Payton turning play-calling over to Carmichael, at least for a while, to keep opponents from locking-in, especially those that set Taysom up to fail (not saying it's intentional)... Second, Dennis Allen needs to be fired, he's been just as horrible as Ryan, Spagnuolo were and a message of accountability needs to be sent to the players... Third, safety play has been atrocious with definite confusion with a number of missed assignments, and poor execution, especially tackling - we need a change there... Some have made the point that we can win with this Brad Johnson approach on offense; this is true, if we had a defense that could get off the field on third and long... |
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Well noted, everyone should be entitled. If u don’t agree state it. But don’t hound the persons assessment. And by the way totally agree on the tournament, how we don’t scare nobody. Some like mediocrity, I want another title before I expire. [emoji56] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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A lot of p*ssing and moaning about the coaching staff that's responsible for two division titles in the last three years. Playoff's in each of the last three years. Continually puts a team out there week in week out that has a good chance to compete, and a very good chance to win. Went in to a tough Chicago's field without our top three receivers and stole a victory to keep us battling for top of our division. Every week I come to this board and to hear most of you talk you'd think we'd lost and are a crap franchise like the Jets or Lions. When the wheels do fall off I seriously am concerned for some of you guys' mental health.
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IF Your defense is focused money-wise. You have to have a shutdown defense to operate the check-down offense we have. And frankly when you’re dead last in the NFL in passing TD’s allowed... https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/sta...downs-per-game ...you need to have an offense that can sling it also. Keep in mind that Chicago is #1 on that list. A very windy and cold day, in an opponents stadium, it could have ended up very differently. It was a good win Rez. It may not have passed the eye-test, but Chicago is a pretty darn good defense. |
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The only person however that will/can check Sean Payton is Mickey Loomis. Asking Sean Payton or any person for that matter to change their own behaviors is a fools errand. The perfect analogy for someone changing someone else's bad behaviors is my Dr. Phil Analogy.. He is a professional, 'catch me outside girl" is a child and he had absolutely zero effect on her, zip, nada, zilch :). There is an entire book by Marshall Goldsmith available that covers the Saints though it isn't about the Saints. It is titled "What got you here, won't get you there." Pair that with "Built to Last" by Jim Collins and you are prepared to address the Saints issues. I remember seeing defensive players comment in support of Rob Ryan, I have yet to see one supporting Dennis Alan which tells me the players aren't on board for some reason. Might be Dennis, might be his defensive planning, might be the summers social media debacle. Regardless of the reason they aren't interested in saving his job. As far as for the unicorn milk vs sh1t show points of view, our personalities drive those. Some are glass 1/2 full, some are glass 1/2 empty, I am a glass is at 50% v/v sort of guy. Which keeps me from being angry all the time as well as helping me avoid disappointment should the New Orleans Saints be... The New Orleans Saints.:bng: |
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So NFL personalities can lie about I don't pay attention to that stuff, but they're as narcissistic as a Kardashian and they do read their press clippings; and yes, including, especially here... But Oak is 100% right, only the 2006 Executive of the Year (whoever drafted Colston in Rd 7, where 32 teams passed for six rounds including the Saints) can create the inertia to get Sean Payton to move from his rut... And if you know Loomis' history, he's not going to make changes nor rock the boat if he feels he's got a satisfactory floor of success... And another great point is that where's the support from the current roster for Dennis Allen? I'd thought this as well but hadn't the foresight to post it as Oak has... |
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-I really despise seeing a 3rd and 6 pattern thrown to a guy at 4 yards. That's not even trying to get a first down. Brees IS still capable of throwing the ball 35 yards with accuracy.
-Payton is so determined to put on tape that T. Hill is NOT going to throw the ball. How about letting him throw a few or SEVERAL so that defenses won't know what to expect? Instead of maybe fooling them one time, how about have them guessing all the time? -Jordan is not healthy or should be traded while other teams not paying attention think he's still really good. -Four in a row without MT. Why is he getting paid $17 million a year? I jest. I think slightly better about him taking a swing at CGJ now. An at best marginal NFL player probably ended his career last night while taking 3 swings at CGJ. On national tv. Out in the wide open for all to see. CGJ would be an all pro on the Ravens. His talents are largely wasted in an Allen defense. You don't ask a mean m*f* to dance. -Cook looks to be injured as well. Limited snaps. Outside of blown coverage's he doesn't get open. Maybe being saved for the stretch run. -God bless Rankins, he just can't stay healthy. To be playing and playing so well is a testament to his heart and determination with all the injuries he's previously endured. -Seven games in, Kamara has taken a beating. And he is fully aware of avoiding hits especially on the sideline. He's a bad dude but he's going to be essential for the Saints to make any run in the playoffs. -Beware of the road favorite. |
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Our offense will be fine with or top three receiving talents coming back. We've had our struggles on offense but defense scares the hell out of me. We're heathy and struggling under DA's leadership. I hope he's putting resumes out. I think he's run his course in New Orleans. Sometimes you have to bi*** slap Payton to get him to part ways with his cronies. Payton needs to hear it from the fans and management so that he can clean house like he did last time. We went from 7-9 to 13-3 after we brought in new coaching talent with a fresh perspective.
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