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Sean Payton not ready to say who will start..

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Telling?

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Why let Atlanta gameplan for one specific QB. That would be foolish.

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Seems to me it's mostly a moot point. In the second half of the 49ners game, there were plays for Winston, and Hill, and both together on the field at the same time. I figure that moving forward it's not going to be much different.

The only change is what percentage mix of the three types will we see?

SFIAH

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The bigger question is the second opinion on Drew and whether or not he goes on IR, which could affect the decision on how many QB's the Saints will have active (2 or 3), which will in turn have a major impact on Taysom's role. I don't blame Sean for not answering yet.

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I need Jameis to show me something. He kept looking at his receivers and almost had 2 int's. I felt much more comfortable with Bridgewater. That said I'm willing to give Jameis a shot.

Same for Taysom Hill. They may play both. For Taysom to be effective, even in Wildcat situations, he must throw the ball. Teams have been just lining up for run blitz when he gets in the huddle. He's the worst secret in the NFL. When he does throw people are wide open.

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Maybe that's the offensive plan....;)

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ATL will have to deal with BOTH.

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Let laysum taysom start I say, what the hell, ty Montgomery played QB in high school just keep us in the hunt till brees gets back. The pun has already started on Winston in contest all over the place


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Remember when Teddy played last year, Payton pretty much removed Taysom from the gameplan in case QB1 got injured.

I had high hopes for Taysom when he got in the last game, but those were dashed by 2 plays. Mesh concept where had Sanders or Cook, both wide open. He had an absolute boat load of time and still took a sack.
Then trying to put the game away for good he fumbled.

Jameis doesn't seem to have any other play than the bullet pass either, its just a throw and hope.

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I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm.

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Won't happen. That's never been the Payton offense. Cycling personnel and packages is an integral part of the offense.

Just from the small sample we saw in the 2nd half Sunday, Payton's typical mixins didn't seem to bother Winston too much.

What I wonder is how is red zone offense going to operate. It got tough for Winston inside the 10 both times the Saints got in there.

SFIAH

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It takes a special touch and vision inside the ten. That's what makes Brees so great down close. He's automatic.

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This is a good point. I can’t remember how we used Hill last year when Teddy took over. No matter the situation now, we can’t have Hill playing his normal role.

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Well according to NFL.com they are saying Drew could be ok in 2 weeks!!!

I find that hard to believe with the injuries he is carrying at the moment!

Could that really be the case?

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Hill. But, let him be a QB first. Let him run in certain situations. Let him throw the 5 to 15 yard passes Drew throws. Let him roll out with simple reads. Let him run if the pocket breaks down. Hill is a bad***. But, that has been in limited snaps. He will not last a full game running first and trying to run over people. Instruct him to slide or run our of bounds after achieving first downs. He can be a better version of the Ravens Jackson. I truly believe that.

I have never been a Winston fan. Never will be. I hope he proves me wrong as I believe Payton will choose him.

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Tony Romo suffered broken ribs and a collapsed lung in OT back in 2011 and played in the very next game EIGHT days later.

There are differing degrees of rib fractures and lung collapses. A severe collapse would require hospitalization. A minor/partial collapse can heal completely in less than two weeks. The same with the ribs. Brees came into this past game with three broken ribs.

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Winston could have had two INTs in just a half of a game and the way he holds the ball while scrambling he could have easily been stripped as well. He'll probably get the start with Taysom in the red zone. Heaven help us.

I'd love to see a full game of Taysom at the wheel. I'd love to see Payton the mad scientist develop a game plan taking advantage of his abilities. I doubt it will happen though.

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Jameis will start and Taysom will actually play LESS snaps than usual just like last year because he has to focus on being the only backup QB now.

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Payton will "choose" Winston because he is the logical choice. Doesn't matter if you are fan of his or not.

Taysom is not a NFL QB. He's a gimmick player. Every time we ask him to pass, he looks like a high school QB trying to make his first start. His footwork is terrible, he's inaccurate, he hesitates, ZERO pocket awareness and he can't read the field. Once again on Sunday, he was given a pass and missed a wide open Cook over the middle.

Winston is the better QB, though he's very flawed himself.

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I just wanna see Taysom try at least a half at QB. Let him try to be a QB. At least try!!!

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I’m sure he tries in practice. I seriously doubt Payton cares about you getting your satisfaction.

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Now is not the time for experiments. At 7-2 and in the thick of the race for the bye and homefield in the NFC, it's frankly foolish to see if Taysom is a full time NFL caliber QB when we have a guy who has 5 years experience full time at the position. It's completely non-sensical.

I think folks got the notion that since Taysom got paid, the Saints are somehow obligated to see if he can fit as a full time QB. Taysom got paid to be Taysom. And he's been doing a fine job of that. The thoughts that somehow he's going to wake up and be an All-Pro QB is just magical thinking to me.

We need to win these next 4 games. As long as Winston values the ball and just throws it away when nothing is there, he gives the Saints the best chance of doing that.

SFIAH

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I understand what you're saying. It makes sense.

But I still want to see him play QB.

Has nothing to do with his contract. Or his college play. The kid plays hard. He does everything he asked to and more. He runs like a maniac. He's intense. He's exciting to watch and always looks like he's having as blast.

I know it sounds stupid or illogical. But I just feel like he's earned a shot to play. And I'd like to see what the Saints have in him. I want to see him prove people wrong and show he's more than a gadget guy. Follow his dreams. Idk.

I'm just getting older. Maybe I just wanna see a guy do well that has worked so hard and earned it.

Lol! If it doesn't work out, put the dork in.

I know it doesn't make sense. And I can't argue with anyone about it. He's just one of my favorite guys to watch. Every time he's in there I get excited to see what he's gonna do.

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Here is what I am hoping for. When Brees was out last year, it seemed the entire team stepped up their game and played that much harder knowing their main guy was out. I hope to see that again now. Teddy was just asked to manage the game and he did. His stats weren't flashy, they were just solid. That is all I am hoping for.

And I think it will be Winston. If Hill was really your #2 QB, he would have started the second half against the 49ers.

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This!

If we lose any of the four it could cost a a shot at the #1 seed and the lone bye week. Winston gives us the best shot in the very short term. Brees gives a better shot over either other option. We need him back as soon as he can take the field at all.

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If we were 2-6 absolutely but we are in the running for the 1 seed, not a good time for Qb tryouts. Like him or not Winston has been there and done that. He also has a lot of experience against Atlanta which can’t hurt.

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Jameis

Even though he didn’t show his mobility
And didn’t go through his reads fast enough or get the ball out early enough
(Something Drew is a master at)
I think he will blossom into The Saints air apparent


THe Falcons game will be won between the tackles
If Atlanta gets the push on the guards it will be a very long day

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Expect the Failclowns to send plenty of pressure at Jameis on Sunday, thats why its so important that he understands this offense and gets the ball out quickly.

They will leave somebody uncovered trying to rattle him. Its up to Winston or not if he makes them pay.

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-Payton will choose Winston because of his arm talent and because Payton is and always will be a pass first coach. He's also going to need a QB moving forward. I get it. I understand it. If Payton can magically do what no one else has done and keep Winston from being a turnover machine and game loser, the Saints certainly have enough talent to win with him. I just don't see that happening. Winston was given EVERY opportunity in Tampa to succeed. He did not.
-Hill can absolutely be a NFL QB. He's smart. He's tough. He's fearless. He's so far beyond a gimmick player it's ridiculous. For his contributions, he's easily one of the MVP's on the team. I actually like his small body of work at QB. Would love to see more. Every QB misses passes. The current offense genuinely fits him more than Winston. Short to intermediate passing except now with benefits. The plus's being the RPO's which will utilize Kamara and Murray more. His superior ability to not only get first downs with his running but the possibility of chunk plays and TD's in the redzone with his legs. More opportunities to control the clock and thus more rest for the defense. His lack of tape making him harder to defense. His arm strength over Brees brings the deep ball back in play in a surprise type fashion. I like his potential. I believe in his upside. I believe the Saints will win more games this season with Hill starting over Winston. Hill is fun to watch and easy to root for.
-Payton will choose Winston. It is a real choice. It has real consequences for the Falcons game, into next season and beyond. I absolutely hope the Saints win with Winston under center. I fear Brees retiring after this season and the Saints signing Winston to a high salaried, long term deal. I believe it would be a mistake.

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Taysom is a garbage QB. Always was. Most of the time he’s making the wrong decisions on read options and when he does drop back to pass he gets sacked with open WR’s because he can’t read defenses.

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This isn’t even close, Winston is the clear choice. Taysom isn’t a starting nfl QB. But he is the best version of what he does. I’ll have to use at least two hands to count the number of times Hill has miss handled snaps this season alone. We’d be a 2-7 at best with Taysom as our starter. But we probably wouldn’t be 7-2 without the role he’s played so far.

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Unfortunately, and I emphasize unfortunately, Winston has to be the choice. I pray Drew only has to be out two weeks.

Taysom is more of a utility player than starting NFL QB, although he hasn't started in the NFL.

Just because Winston threw 30 interceptions last year doesn't mean he will do that now. Just because his TD% slightly edged his INT % doesn't mean he will have the same amount of failure now. I keep telling myself he was excited/nervous when he first entered the game last week. He is a lower bottom of the pack QB and has had a chance to prove himself since 2015.

Either way you slice it, Taysom or Jameis, if this is long-term, unless Winston goes to the Wizard and finds judgment we are screwed.

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