Smart Play by Calvin Ridley

BakoSaint · 12-09-2020, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2020, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

Euphoria · 12-09-2020, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them

BakoSaint · 12-09-2020, 06:15 PM

In Matt Ryan's playoff career he has had a Cardinal problem, a Packer Problem, a Giant problem, a 49er problem, a Patriot problem, and an Eagle problem.

Matt Ryan's second half performances in his playoff losses are insane. His offenses have been shut out in the second half of his last 4 playoff losses. His last 3 they led at the half and collapsed. He has been shut out in the 3rd quarter of all 6 playoff losses. His last second half playoff score in those 6 losses was a pass to Roddy White in 2011. Excluding two passes to Roddy White, Matt Ryan's offenses have never scored in the second half of his playoff finales. His split of 1st Half vs 2nd Half scoring in his playoff losses is 95-14. There have been different coaches, receivers, oline, dline, the common factor is Matt Ryan. He chokes. He is the core problem. His proponents can't get past his regular season performances and look at what is stopping him in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them

BakoSaint · 12-09-2020, 05:56 PM

Is overthecap website wrong? They indicate Ryan's cap number for 2021 is 41 million if the Falcons keep him, making the scary $50 million number actually only an addition $9 million cost. And thats for a pre-June 1 cut, a clean break from the worst contract in the league. It says a post June 1 cut actually saves them $17 million (no way Ryan is worth 17 million with his playoff history) and a post June 1 trade saves them 21 million. Meanwhile a pre-June 1 trade costs them 3.5 million but potentially brings back a player or draft pick who saves them 3.5 million elsewhere. Nick Mullens could be deadly in the playoffs with their receivers. If I was the Falcons I would definitely move on under these numbers.

In 2022 a 7.5 million roster bonus is due to Matt Ryan on March 11 and his cap hit that year is almost 42 million and they can save >15 million by cutting or trading him and taking the 25 million cap hit instead. If Matt Ryan is still a Falcon on March 12 2022, Arthur Blank, is, well, Arthur Blank.

https://overthecap.com/player/matt-ryan/823/

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

12-09-2020, 02:41 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by SmashMouth Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage. If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.
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12-09-2020, 03:08 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by BakoSaint If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw. You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

12-09-2020, 05:42 PM	#3
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest. Guido - on point. Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem. If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them SmashMouth likes this.

12-09-2020, 06:15 PM	#4
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley In Matt Ryan's playoff career he has had a Cardinal problem, a Packer Problem, a Giant problem, a 49er problem, a Patriot problem, and an Eagle problem. Matt Ryan's second half performances in his playoff losses are insane. His offenses have been shut out in the second half of his last 4 playoff losses. His last 3 they led at the half and collapsed. He has been shut out in the 3rd quarter of all 6 playoff losses. His last second half playoff score in those 6 losses was a pass to Roddy White in 2011. Excluding two passes to Roddy White, Matt Ryan's offenses have never scored in the second half of his playoff finales. His split of 1st Half vs 2nd Half scoring in his playoff losses is 95-14. There have been different coaches, receivers, oline, dline, the common factor is Matt Ryan. He chokes. He is the core problem. His proponents can't get past his regular season performances and look at what is stopping him in the playoffs. Originally Posted by Euphoria Guido - on point. Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem. If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them Boston Saint likes this.
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12-09-2020, 05:56 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,391	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Is overthecap website wrong? They indicate Ryan's cap number for 2021 is 41 million if the Falcons keep him, making the scary $50 million number actually only an addition $9 million cost. And thats for a pre-June 1 cut, a clean break from the worst contract in the league. It says a post June 1 cut actually saves them $17 million (no way Ryan is worth 17 million with his playoff history) and a post June 1 trade saves them 21 million. Meanwhile a pre-June 1 trade costs them 3.5 million but potentially brings back a player or draft pick who saves them 3.5 million elsewhere. Nick Mullens could be deadly in the playoffs with their receivers. If I was the Falcons I would definitely move on under these numbers. In 2022 a 7.5 million roster bonus is due to Matt Ryan on March 11 and his cap hit that year is almost 42 million and they can save >15 million by cutting or trading him and taking the 25 million cap hit instead. If Matt Ryan is still a Falcon on March 12 2022, Arthur Blank, is, well, Arthur Blank. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-ryan/823/ Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.
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