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BakoSaint 12-09-2020 11:17 AM

Smart Play by Calvin Ridley
 
Contrary to popular opinion, I think it was a smart play by Ridley to focus on disrupting the play and helping make the hail mary an incompletion. Think about it. The Falcons don't need a meaningless win. Ridley doesn't need a meaningless win. They aren't going anywhere this year. What they need is a higher draft pick to find a long term solution at QB. Lots of QBs could succeed with Jones and Ridley at WR. Many of those QBs cost less than 30 million a year and have actual leadership skills and intangibles. Ridley headhunting CGJ was actually a good move for his career and the Falcons franchise. He may be the only one who gets it on the entire roster. The Falcon's do have a great kicker, but history has proven that in the playoffs you need a QB to lead the offense, especially if you never have a great defense. If Ridley is smart he will keep disrupting key passes until someone else is throwing them and he has a legitimate chance to contend. The Eagles moved on at QB despite the specter of dead money. Its got to be frustrating to him that the Falcons refuse to do the same.

SmashMouth 12-09-2020 11:24 AM

Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley
 
Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

AsylumGuido 12-09-2020 12:04 PM

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There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion.

stickman 12-09-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 906564)
Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

AsylumGuido 12-09-2020 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 906570)
Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

I pointed this out in another thread. Atlanta is stuck with Matt Ryan at least through the 2022 season because of his recent contract. He would cost the Falcons around $50 million in dead money if they cut or trade him next season. They would still take around a $25 million cap hit if they waited until 2022. He'd still cost them about $8 million in dead money in 2023, but that's the first year it would even be feasible.

We get the pleasure of facing Ryan as a Failclown at least four more times.

:D

BakoSaint 12-09-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 906564)
Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

Boston Saint 12-09-2020 03:02 PM

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You could argue it might inadvertently help in long run, but I don’t think Ridley was thinking that during the play, nor do I think the extra spot or two difference the win would have made either way is important. It means something at spot one or two, but not at 8 or so which is where they will likely draft.

AsylumGuido 12-09-2020 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 906586)
If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

The Dude 12-09-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 906570)
Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

I’d rather have him than Winston.

saintsfan1976 12-09-2020 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906567)
There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion.

Agreed. His actions are reflect poor leadership from the franchise more than anything.

Euphoria 12-09-2020 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906590)
You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them

rezburna 12-09-2020 05:45 PM

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Offensive line trash, but that city doesn’t believe in Matt Ryan.

BakoSaint 12-09-2020 05:56 PM

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Is overthecap website wrong? They indicate Ryan's cap number for 2021 is 41 million if the Falcons keep him, making the scary $50 million number actually only an addition $9 million cost. And thats for a pre-June 1 cut, a clean break from the worst contract in the league. It says a post June 1 cut actually saves them $17 million (no way Ryan is worth 17 million with his playoff history) and a post June 1 trade saves them 21 million. Meanwhile a pre-June 1 trade costs them 3.5 million but potentially brings back a player or draft pick who saves them 3.5 million elsewhere. Nick Mullens could be deadly in the playoffs with their receivers. If I was the Falcons I would definitely move on under these numbers.

In 2022 a 7.5 million roster bonus is due to Matt Ryan on March 11 and his cap hit that year is almost 42 million and they can save >15 million by cutting or trading him and taking the 25 million cap hit instead. If Matt Ryan is still a Falcon on March 12 2022, Arthur Blank, is, well, Arthur Blank.

https://overthecap.com/player/matt-ryan/823/

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906590)
You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.


BakoSaint 12-09-2020 06:15 PM

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In Matt Ryan's playoff career he has had a Cardinal problem, a Packer Problem, a Giant problem, a 49er problem, a Patriot problem, and an Eagle problem.

Matt Ryan's second half performances in his playoff losses are insane. His offenses have been shut out in the second half of his last 4 playoff losses. His last 3 they led at the half and collapsed. He has been shut out in the 3rd quarter of all 6 playoff losses. His last second half playoff score in those 6 losses was a pass to Roddy White in 2011. Excluding two passes to Roddy White, Matt Ryan's offenses have never scored in the second half of his playoff finales. His split of 1st Half vs 2nd Half scoring in his playoff losses is 95-14. There have been different coaches, receivers, oline, dline, the common factor is Matt Ryan. He chokes. He is the core problem. His proponents can't get past his regular season performances and look at what is stopping him in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 906613)
Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them


saintsfan1976 12-09-2020 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906614)
Offensive line trash, but that city doesn’t believe in Matt Ryan.

He's just not a difference maker. Players know it. Fans know it. His MVP trophy should have Kyle Shanahan in parenthesis.

rezburna 12-10-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906617)
He's just not a difference maker. Players know it. Fans know it. His MVP trophy should have Kyle Shanahan in parenthesis.

I agree. He can put up numbers, but he ain’t it.

K Major 12-10-2020 11:32 AM

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https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2020...k34GgYp0tvQuBc

stickman 12-10-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 906631)

That article is actually pretty good. They make a good point that we would hate CGJ if he was on another team. Nice to see one of our players getting under someone's skin for a change.

Rugby Saint II 12-10-2020 03:25 PM

Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley
 
Calvin Ridley can now include a blocked hail Mary pass to his resume.

SaintGnome 12-10-2020 06:05 PM

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I doubt there was anything strategic about the move, Ceedy has proven he can get under just about anyone's skin. Punk took a cheap shot knowing he'd probably get away with it, and he did.


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