Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s
 

First off Hurst doesn’t scare me and this defense isn’t going let him get away with much, we win and it’s not close.
I seem to remember the Saints losing to a fair amount of backups/rookie Qb’s in the past when we played against teams that were inferior. Who are some of these Qb’s?

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RG III comes to mind. So does J Winston LOL!

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Career backup Mat Moore beat Brunel and the Saints in 2009.

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I was in the dome for the home opener (that game), & RGIII torched us. It was like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

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That had to suck !

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On research, Matt Ryan defeated the saints as a rookie in 2008.

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How can you guys forget Fitz-magic. Saints D made him look like a Hall of Famer.

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Someone called Max something for the Cardinals beat our #4 ranked D in 2010.

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Over the past ten years or so the Saints have actually fared very well against backups and rookie QB's. Every time we are about to face one in recent memory someone always brings up this very subject and we proceed to take care of business as usual.

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Interesting topic :bng: .

I recall reading this on Saints report and someone pulled up a stat …

"In the Sean Payton era going up against back up/rookies (8 games or less), he has a record of 16-4".

We as fans tend to remember all those L's, however Payton has done extremely well with inexperienced QB's over the last decade.

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We're 2-0 this year (Herbert and Mullens), or 3-0 if you count the Broncos game.

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In fairness, to put this stat into context you’d have to know what other teams records were against QBs with 8 or fewer starts and what the records the QBs in those 20 starts Payton faced was against other teams. For example, 16-4 is a good record, but if the 4 losses suffered gave 4 QBs their only wins ever, and they were a combined 4-16 against all teams, then it is notable.

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The faulty claim has been that the Saints are known for losing to teams with rookies or backups at QB. K_Major's quoted stat simply points out the invalidity of that claim. It really doesn't matter beyond that what record those four teams had against others. The fact remains that over the past 15 years that hasn't been the case.

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Well, Dude asked about “losing to a fair amount of backups/rookie Qb’s”. We could compare what “known for” is versus “fair amount” I guess. I named 3 off the top of my head. Maybe losing isn’t as accurate as “struggled with” because I recall a few QBs having near career days during the record setting awful D years. If a relative unknown guy threw for say...300yds and 3 TDs, but lost 42-38, did the Saints “struggle” with him.?

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I’m not being argumentative here, but here is my point. K Majors stat gives QBs with 8 or less starts that have faced the Saints 4 out of 20 (20 %) wins. Without knowing what the winning percentage is for every QB over the course of their first 8 starts, we don’t know if that’s good or bad. If the average is at 10% and Saints are at 20%, then I would say they are known for losing to backup QBs.

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Bingo! Therein lies the difference. At points in our historic past we have had a few "subpar" defenses. I know for a fact we gave up some huge games against inexperienced QB's with those defenses. But, how does that have any relevance when we are now sporting the #1 ranked overall defense in the NFL?

But it all circles back around to the main topic ...

"Question about Saints losing to backup/rookie Qb’s"

I feel confident that question has been answered.

Oh, and Who Dat!

:bng:

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Yea, I was at that game unfortunately

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It doesn’t have anything to do with the current D. He just asked who were some in the past...so I thought.

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Kyle Allen beat the Saints last reg season game of 2018. His first start ever it seems. Maybe that’s why it seems like a bigger deal than it really is...it happened fairly recently.

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Was Lattimore's performance in person as bad as it looked on TV? Probably the only game I can remember where Evans had any success on #23.

Fitz absolutely lit up our secondary.

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Teddy Bridgewater started for us. Not only did we sit Brees, but many of our starters. Definitely a bogus outlier.

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Not only did they rest players, I remember them being not very aggressive on D. Could be misremembering, but they definitely were not putting much into that game.

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Yea, between him and crawley it was a sh*t show, K. Fitz lit them up like a pinball machine. At least at home you didn’t have to listen to Tampa fans talking sh*t during and after the game. What made it worse when they scored one of the many tds that day someone jumped in the seat behind me and spilled jambalaya down my shirt and in my hair.

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You are right. Guess it seems like a lot more. I’ll take those stats any day.

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Just found Mariota in 2015 as a Rookie had 370 yards and 4 TDs.

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The one that sticks out to me is RG3 on opening day. What a disaster...

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San Fran kaepernick I remember whipped our ass


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I'm pretty sure Jalen Hurts won't light us up in his starting debut in Philly.

I'll be shocked if we have a let down defensively.

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That was 8 years ago. The cutoff for this current iteration of Saints should be the 2017 season. That's the year all the current talent flooded in. Anything before that time should be considered ancient history.

In the here and now, I guess it's Herbert and the Chargers lighting things up on Monday night football. But they still didn't win the game.

SFIAH

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How about we agree that rookie QB's have historically given us a hard time?

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Maybe the Payton era hasn’t had the same rate of failure against rookies, but if you’ve followed the team as long as some of us, there is good reason for this to come up.

I present to you the 1999 Cleveland Browns. The Browns themselves were rookies having just been reestablished after the prior Browns moved to Baltimore to become the Ravens. That year in NO, the Browns were starting rookie QB, Tim Couch, and they were on a 7 game losing streak to start the season. (Giving teams their first win of the year is more of a thing to me, but we’re talking rookies now.)

Of course, the Saints weren’t any better that year...the last under HC Mike Ditka, having won in Week 1 and then losing 7 or 8 straight. But, come on...we just needed a win and end up losing to the rookie Browns with a rookie QB in the Dome? If I recall correctly, we lost on a last second Hail Mary, of all things.

So, yeah, rookies!

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The Eagles OLine is horrible. They Eagles have no play makers. Hurts has never been good at reading defenses beyond his first option. Controlled pressure. Keep him in the pocket. If the Saints show up and don't turn the ball over, this game could resemble the Broncos game.

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Tim Couch

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Not the same but a qb that came alive against us

Derrick Carr looked terrible
Then played lights out in the Saints / Raiders game this year

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I barely saw Hurts throw the ball today. Their O line just destroyed our D.

I had a bad feeling the second that Hurts trucked Marcus Williams for a first down.

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Mine was lutz wide right to get a lead 3-0


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Is it safe now to wonder if maybe the Saints have Possibly had difficulties dealing with QBs that haven’t started a lot of games and/or are backups?

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Is it safe to say if you had rolled a single die 16 times and it came up with a three on four of those occurrences that when rolled a 17th time and a three appears that there is a possibility that it has a tendency to end up on three?

Or a flipped coin four times out of 16 is tails and the 17th a tail? Difficulty flipping heads all the sudden?

;)

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