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The ball was in his hands though, he was a receiver at that point, and he missed his chance. I’m not blaming him specifically, nor anyone individually, but if you want to hyper-focus on the 4th and 2 fumble play, it was a horrible play call. Stringing out that play to the short side of field? Nah, it failed before it began. The offense did fail, so did the defense, on multiple 4th down conversions, an 82 yard TD run, and TWO individual 100 yard rushers.

No doubt about it that the offense failed when it needed to. No doubt about it that the defense failed to stop the run. No doubt about it that the kicking game was off. Only a biased person blames one specific side. I just can’t view things that way. wrt this game specifically, there is more than enough “blame” to go around. To all three portions of the Saints team.

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Maybe if the OL blocks the rusher coming from the blindside Taysom doesn't get stripped from behind which would have been a sack anyway and turnover on downs. Why all the hate on Hill when the whole team played poorly.

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Didn’t cost us, but it was still a miss as far as success/fail evaluation on any play. Too wide open to not make that play. That was a “gimmee” to coin the golf phrase, it shouldn’t have been missed.

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He was running to his left when he threw the ball, wasn't like he was standing in the pocket. Throws that aren't 100% when making your 4th start in the NFL as a QB.

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Fully understand. And agree. Nonetheless, the WR was stupidly wide open.

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Probably needs it's own thread however a good week of film study, practice and execution will be required on Sunday.

Let's see how they respond vs the Champs.

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I think Hill played a decent game, but turnovers and missed field goals were what stood out to me. I’m not concerned with a team giving up 24 points in a league catered to offense. We need to score. Period. When it’s all said and done the Chiefs are going to score. The Packers are going to score. The elite teams are going to score. Can you get stops at pivotal moments? The Saints defense did that. Offense has to answer the bell.

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Back on topic: I believe that Lutz injured his plant foot and is hobbled . He actually went down on the ground after a missed field goal attempt last week. He'll be fine folks with a little time to rest and strengthen his plant leg.

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IDK Rez, while I do think the offense and ST (and coaching) were big parts of the loss, I don’t think it’s fair to brush off the D performance as just giving up 24 points in an offensive based league.

Philly hadn’t reached even 20 points in their previous 3 games. Saints hadn’t allowed that many in quite a few. The D gave up well over 400 yards and got 0 sacks....Allowed an obscene amount of rushing yards against a non rushing team. All against a rookie QB who they allowed to spank them (further fueling the belief that the team struggles against backups/rookies that some claim is “unfounded”). Now that sure as heck is a down game for what they had been producing and I bet every player on the D would be among the first to admit that.

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Hurts was a spark against Green Bay and he built on that performance. They scored 24 but the offense gift wrapped them 10 with that fumble and the interception. If they scored 24 with no turnovers from the Saints I’d be a little more worried, but like I said before, the bulk of their yards came on one play. They weren’t getting all those yards on the ground from traditional run plays. It was QB scrambles outside of that one chunk play.

Sanders got 82 yards off one carry. He finished with 115 on 14 carries. The other 13 carries were 2.5 yards a carry. Again, I’m not concerned.

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I hope you are right. Seems like I saw a few too many bad angles, broke tackles, and YAC to make me feel good.

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Jesus is just alright with me...Jesus is just alright!!!

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I see that from every team. Steelers supposed to have the best defense in the league and I see it from them. Styles make fights. I’ve had the same gripe all year. The Saints HAVE to score. I don’t care if the defense holds the other team to a goose egg. If we win 10-0 I’m looking at the offense like wtf? That **** won’t fly against KC.

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Ok and that’s fair enough. But don’t be surprised when people who look back over the years past in the playoffs with Minn driving it for a TD in overtime and the Minnesota Miracle And Vernon Davis and Beast Mode Lynch and many other times over the years the D let the team down disagree. Most Super Bowl dynasty teams had at least competent, if not superior Ds. The Saints have not lived up to that over Payton’s tenure. If you honestly feel that the effort the Saints D put up last night was worthy of a Super Bowl team that’s fine. I respectfully disagree and think it was the worst performance of the season. That stuff won’t last through the Wildcard round.

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I don’t think the Saints defense is any worse than any of the Super Bowl contenders defenses. I’d say this defense is BEYOND competent. I watched people say “just give us a top 15” defense for years. Now we have a top 5 defense that just won us 8 straight. Even in the Minnesota Miracle game Brees was throwing picks. Vernon Davis? No excuses. Our defense was all time trash. Trust me bro, don’t be concerned. Well...against the Chiefs...be very concerned. They do it to everybody.

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It is obvious that the offense isn't functioning as a well oiled machine as they have in the past. It is also reasonably obvious that we need to focus on finding a QB for the future. Taysom is currently the best option we have at QB.

I can almost give Hurts a "hall pass" for his mobility, but I still think we could have done a better job of containment, not allowing him 100 yards rushing. I think even worse might be allowing Sanders to run all over us. That falls smack on the D. The only reason the O could be blamed for our lack of D in that game was if the D was on the field too long because of weak offense. That theory kind of doesn't apply because out D woke up the longer the game went on.

Then there is Lutz.

This game was failures on many fronts.

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U would have thought our genius coordinators would have said let’s let him throw it to beat us, not let his legs do it . U throw blitzes from all directions to confuse the rook , just me


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Not buying it Rez. Is the defense “trash”? Nope, not even close, it’s a very good defense, but it’s also a very good offense, and a very good special teams unit. On that Sunday, all three phases failed, including the defense. Your comment referring to 82 yards being the “bulk” of the run stats doesn’t fly. 246 yards allowed by the Saints from the opposing team, who and where it comes from is unimportant, an 6.8 yard average and that 82 yard run was only ⅓ of the total given up. There was another 164 yards allowed outside of that 82 yard TD run. Philly ran ALL over the vaunted Saints run defense. Two, count them TWO 100 yard rushers in the same game. And two of four 4th down conversions allowed, that should not be a 50/50 allowed stat, it just shouldn’t be. 0 of 4 is preferred, I think 1 of 4 would be an below average day. That’s 2 turnover on downs missed, it shouldn’t happen.

Offense failed

Defense failed

Special teams failed

If anyone if those groups stepped up, it would have been a win, but almost all the “game changers” went to Philly. I’m concerned for all three, yes, including defense. That being said, I’m more optimistic for the future of this team than I’ve been over the past three years.

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That’s a fair assessment. For me, I’m not concerned. Yards are just yards. I don’t feel like our defense was dominated. All those yards and we lost by 3. It’s just not concerning to me. If the damage was coming mostly from designed runs it would be different for me, but he was just scrambling. It’s easy to get chunks of yards that way. I wish Taysom did it more.

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Is "Kickaliscious" still available? :D

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The team was down 2 SCORES with 6 minutes left with the ball and had no sense of urgency against a team with a decimated secondary

Pathetic

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I've been saying that he looks like his plant foot is injured. However, if Payton is calling him out then he must not be hurt very badly.