What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop | Luke Johnson

12-14-2020, 11:01 AM

Here is a small stat that may give some insight as to how other teams see/play our defense.

Opponent 4th down attempts
24 attempts 52.4% success rate - Saints (our opponents go for it on 4th down more than any other defense in the league, and make it more than 1/2 the time)

That's an average of 1 successful drive per game being extended on 4th down. That's twice a game opponents are electing to not punt or kick a FG and rather risk going for a 1st.

Something just doesn't correlate between that stat and being the #1 defense in the league or being a shut down defense.

TheOak · 12-14-2020, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And our Dad, Uncle, or Mom's lover would have to be an influential coach or scout - Nepotism is definitely a part of the hiring process...

Hey! I dated a couple of my wife's cousins, when you find a good bloodline you stick with it lol.

iceshack149 · 12-14-2020, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I don't care about playoff seeding, we're already in. Home field doesn't mean what it used to. Drew will be back. Nuff said.

I'm projecting here but a game in the Dome in January vs. outdoors in Green Bay would be preferable. But you're right, the Saints are locked in for a playoff spot so that's pretty great.

gosaints1 · 12-14-2020, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Hey! I dated a couple of my wife's cousins, when you find a good bloodline you stick with it lol.

That’s just funny, I don’t care what anyone says.

neugey · 12-14-2020, 12:41 PM

Our defense was bound to have a clunker at some point. Better now than in the playoffs.

One crazy thing I won't forget for a long time - I was at B-dubs watching the game and of course all of the other games were on. But our onside kick was kicked at almost the exact same time as Detroit ended up kicking theirs. And in both cases there were minutes where the refs had to sort out whose ball it was. It was happening in two different games simultaneously! Crazy stuff.

Boston Saint · 12-14-2020, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Our defense was bound to have a clunker at some point. Better now than in the playoffs.

One crazy thing I won't forget for a long time - I was at B-dubs watching the game and of course all of the other games were on. But our onside kick was kicked at almost the exact same time as Detroit ended up kicking theirs. And in both cases there were minutes where the refs had to sort out whose ball it was. It was happening in two different games simultaneously! Crazy stuff.

That kick easily could have gone the Saints way !!

Rugby Saint II · 12-14-2020, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That kick easily could have gone the Saints way !!

I believe it went our way initially. Then Philly took it back in the scrum. I've re-watched that play several times. I referee rugby and I know rugby and how to spot the ball on the deck. It took much too long for the refs to make a call. The ball probably moved back and forth two or thee times.

spkb25 · 12-14-2020, 03:16 PM

Think the biggest thing learned on this board is some fans can only stick it out when things are going well. The other negative nancies quit on the team just because they're having one bad game.

dizzle88 · 12-14-2020, 04:02 PM

This game would have sealed the division, I don't know how much more motivation they needed honestly.

To come out and play like that, especially against a rookie was pretty disheartening.

Boston Saint · 12-14-2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I believe it went our way initially. Then Philly took it back in the scrum. I've re-watched that play several times. I referee rugby and I know rugby and how to spot the ball on the deck. It took much too long for the refs to make a call. The ball probably moved back and forth two or thee times.

Oh, you like Rugby?!! 🤣

12-14-2020, 11:01 AM	#31
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027 Rating: (0 votes - average) Here is a small stat that may give some insight as to how other teams see/play our defense. Opponent 4th down attempts 24 attempts 52.4% success rate - Saints (our opponents go for it on 4th down more than any other defense in the league, and make it more than 1/2 the time) That's an average of 1 successful drive per game being extended on 4th down. That's twice a game opponents are electing to not punt or kick a FG and rather risk going for a 1st. Something just doesn't correlate between that stat and being the #1 defense in the league or being a shut down defense. gosaints1 likes this.
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12-14-2020, 11:03 AM	#32
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by jeanpierre And our Dad, Uncle, or Mom's lover would have to be an influential coach or scout - Nepotism is definitely a part of the hiring process... Hey! I dated a couple of my wife's cousins, when you find a good bloodline you stick with it lol. jnormand, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

12-14-2020, 11:11 AM	#33
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,299 Blog Entries: 1	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by SaintGnome I don't care about playoff seeding, we're already in. Home field doesn't mean what it used to. Drew will be back. Nuff said. I'm projecting here but a game in the Dome in January vs. outdoors in Green Bay would be preferable. But you're right, the Saints are locked in for a playoff spot so that's pretty great.

12-14-2020, 11:50 AM	#34
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by TheOak Hey! I dated a couple of my wife's cousins, when you find a good bloodline you stick with it lol. That’s just funny, I don’t care what anyone says. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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12-14-2020, 12:41 PM	#35
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Our defense was bound to have a clunker at some point. Better now than in the playoffs. One crazy thing I won't forget for a long time - I was at B-dubs watching the game and of course all of the other games were on. But our onside kick was kicked at almost the exact same time as Detroit ended up kicking theirs. And in both cases there were minutes where the refs had to sort out whose ball it was. It was happening in two different games simultaneously! Crazy stuff. Boston Saint likes this.

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12-14-2020, 02:36 PM	#36
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by neugey Our defense was bound to have a clunker at some point. Better now than in the playoffs. One crazy thing I won't forget for a long time - I was at B-dubs watching the game and of course all of the other games were on. But our onside kick was kicked at almost the exact same time as Detroit ended up kicking theirs. And in both cases there were minutes where the refs had to sort out whose ball it was. It was happening in two different games simultaneously! Crazy stuff. That kick easily could have gone the Saints way !!

12-14-2020, 02:42 PM	#37
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by Boston Saint That kick easily could have gone the Saints way !! I believe it went our way initially. Then Philly took it back in the scrum. I've re-watched that play several times. I referee rugby and I know rugby and how to spot the ball on the deck. It took much too long for the refs to make a call. The ball probably moved back and forth two or thee times. jeanpierre likes this.

12-14-2020, 03:16 PM	#38
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Think the biggest thing learned on this board is some fans can only stick it out when things are going well. The other negative nancies quit on the team just because they're having one bad game. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-14-2020, 04:02 PM	#39
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson This game would have sealed the division, I don't know how much more motivation they needed honestly. To come out and play like that, especially against a rookie was pretty disheartening. jeanpierre, st thomas and Boston Saint like this.

12-14-2020, 04:03 PM	#40
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: What we learned, what's trending and final thoughts from the Saints surprising Philly flop \| Luke Johnson Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I believe it went our way initially. Then Philly took it back in the scrum. I've re-watched that play several times. I referee rugby and I know rugby and how to spot the ball on the deck. It took much too long for the refs to make a call. The ball probably moved back and forth two or thee times. Oh, you like Rugby?!! 🤣 jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.