Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer?
 

I saw the Eagles were spying him a lot but there is no excuse to not use Taysom's best attribute and throw in more designed runs.

If he doesn't see anyone open he needs to tuck it and run. He was hesitant to pass and scramble. The ol was bad but he also held onto the ball too much.

He is either banged up, coach is telling him to limit his runs, or he is limiting his runs on purpose to prove he can be the qb of the future.


If Hill isn't going to use his legs, let's see what Winston can do.

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This. What they did with Hurts was exactly what we should have done with Hill. They kept him in a manageable down an distance. There were plenty of times Hill could have used his legs to pick up a few yard.

It seems like The QB talk has gotten to him and he wants to show that he can win with his arms from the pocket.

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I think Taysom Hill can throw from the pocket. The issue today is that there was barely ever a pocket to throw from. He could have used his legs to to offset the rush, but for some reason Payton wanted to be stubborn about it. It seems like every year, we have a game where the OL plays like complete garbage. That was today. Taysom also made some mistakes(he didn't really do anything bad enough to make me completely lose faith in him though). He also should have ran a lot more. Lutz has to at least hit one of those two kicks.. he's just looked off lately(first time in his career I can really say that about him).

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We also need to remember that Taysom is still on a learning curve! This was only his fourth game as a starter. He's won his first three games for us, which is excellent and we almost snatched a win yesterday and probably would have done if there had been a little more time on the clock.
Taysom will need a lot more games under his belt before he can become the QB we all want him to be! Just give hime some time! WHO DAT!

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This and you are already down 1 QB, if Taysom goes down you have 1 and no backups to finish the season or enter the playoffs.


A lot of people complaining about Hills 1 fumble per game and wanting Winston in when Winston averaged 1.9 INTS per game in 2019 lol. :p

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If I thought today was Taysom's fault I'd say so, but I don't think anyone would have played well with how our O-line played today. They were absolutely dreadful. Taysom is fast and a lot of times they were on him so quickly that he didn't even have time to scramble. I would have had more designed QB runs to throw them off, but this game is mostly on the O-Line.

Taysom needs to quit fumbling though.

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Aaron Brooks was a better QB before Haslett turned him into a pocket QB. I get that we want to protect the QB, but Payton's not utilizing all of his talents.

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He lost his swag on runs. That is a huge sign.

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Being an NFL QB is not an easy job to do well Taysom has played beyond what many expected. But there are so many details and reads that he so far seems very slow to process. If it presents itself Ist 2nd read he has a chance much beyond that he’s stuck in limbo ... stay in pocket extend or takeoff running. Staying and extending particular while throwing on the run has been every uneven. His running style is not elusive but brute force power speed and can only assume that SP has reigned him in for his protection.

OPINION ... Not seeing what this team needs to win going forward.

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I don't see any pocket presence or awareness.

But for me, I see Taysom as a guy who doesn't take care of the football & would rather take a sack than throw it away.

But in fairness, the O line protection was bad on yesterday.

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Armstead and Peat were getting driven into Taysoms lap nearly every play.

This loss looked so similar to the Vikings playoff loss last year.

They controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball and just bullied us off the ball every snap.

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Payton wants to make him into a pocket passer. Don't force it on him though. Taysom is afraid to use his best weapon...his legs to take off and run.

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I saw several things that bothered me with Taysom last night:
1) Happy Feet
2) Staring downfield looking for the wide open receiver instead of seeing the passing lanes and trusting his receivers to get there.
3) Trying to stay in the pocket and pass instead of taking the running lanes when they present themselves.

Not sure whether the change in his playing style is SP's doing or if the prognosticators have gotten into his head, but this game he was NOT playing to his stengths. Basically, what we saw Jalen Hurts do all night!

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It was his fourth start at QB. The interception was bad. Forced under pressure. Run. Throw it away. If the spy can tackle him, it will be close to the line of scrimmage. Much better than the five to eight yards lost on a sack. As someone who's supported him from the beginning, I truly believe he's exceeded even my expectations. He has two problems. He's having to follow one of the greatest of all time at his position, under the watchful eyes of a very spoiled fan base. And, it's on a team that has legit Super Bowl potential. About as pressure packed as it gets in sports.

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Don't get me wrong, I really like Taysom and time will tell if he is the Heir Apparent. But his skills are raw and need time to refine. We're in a playoff run which is not the ideal spot to 'work out the kinks'. Although we're not privy to the workings of the coaching staff, I'm curious as to why they didn't bring in Winston, even for a change of pace, at all during the Eagles game.

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Listen at this podcast when you have some time. Sean gives some interesting tidbits on the future at QB for New Orleans … Taysom, Winston etc. :bng:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000502445741

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Whatever he is he is not the answer.

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There was another QB the Saints had that the coaches thought turning him into a pocket passer was a good idea; hmmmm, what was his name?

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The guy whose fumble record Taysom is trying to break.

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Did he fumble more in the pocket or out?

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Come on I’m old tell me who?


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Aaron Brooks. He had 14 fumbles back in 2003. He had at least 11 each year from 2001 through 2004.

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Is the play in your gif technically a fumble?

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Naw, incomplete pass but just having some fun with St. T.

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Lol just say the backwards pass


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If you have a spare hour, watch this clip for an assessment on Hill.

I can't say I agreed with everything Deuce Windham said (I don't think he's harsh enough on the O line at times) but most of the stuff he says about Taysom are pretty spot on in terms of tape.

Taysom not being able to read a D pre-snap really makes him defeat himself.

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It could also be that reading the D pre snap may not be as important as it once was and being a “pocket passer” is outdated. Looking at how QBs like Jackson, Wilson, Allen, and even Rogers have been successful when they extended plays by getting out of the pocket for long throws, I wonder if that’s not the way to go. Isn’t that what Hurts just did to the Saints D?

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Haven't watched it yet, but Brees' quick decision making would cover many of the blemishes of pretty much any offensive line in the NFL.

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I wouldn't say so. Do you realize that Hurts managed only the second fewest passing yards (167) given up by the Saints all season? The only QB with less (12) was the Bronco's practice squad WR.

Just saying.

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Ok, but discarding Hurts, don’t you think that my point about the success of the QBs I listed, along with Murray, mayfield, and others leans validity to the idea of the traditional, immobile, pocket passer being more a relic?

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Oh yeah, I forgot a guy named Mahomes in that list.

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You mean like Robert Griffin III and that guy Kaepernick? Let's see some longevity before deciding it's the future.

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Andrew Luck

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Dan Marino, Dan Faust, Jim Kelly, Warren moon.

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Change is it inevitable. Big difference between a mobile QB and a running QB. Now days the QB has to be mobile. Look at the QBs that are having success now...Wilson, Rodgers, Pat Homes, J Allen. Even Big Ben was mobile until injuries slowed him down. It’s just the evolution of the game.

Even in college FB they are looking for mobile QBs. None of the top QBs are pocket only QBs.

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Immobile pocket passer, right? Won as many championships as the ones you named other than Mahomes who has cut back on his scrambling. He's is an outlier anyway because of his conservative nature. Even with him longevity can be an issue.

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I just named a good 5 starting QBs that aren’t pocket passers including starters for many of the Super Bowl favorites and you want longevity ? Take away Rothlesburger Brees, and Brady ( all relics) and there aren’t any teams (Goff maybe) that are going with traditional pocket passers as their future.

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Don't get your point there. Awesome QB's. Extremely successful. What am I missing, Boston?

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And how many are going to be a future? That is yet to be seen. A short run? Yeah. I can see that. Today is a throwaway society. Why not do the same with QB's, I suppose. NFL dynasties have been built on long lasting QB's. That may be over.