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Lord_Saint83 12-17-2020 03:24 PM
Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 907595)
I’m not disagreeing with you saintsfan. But, Why do you think that is true about Winston? He is Still young. Former no 1 pick. Threw for 5000 yards. Never had a season with more Ints than TDs. Convince me why Winston can’t be successful .


Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.

jeanpierre 12-17-2020 10:04 PM
Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees
 
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 907603)
Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.
While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games...

Boston Saint 12-17-2020 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 907625)
While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games...
You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”.

jeanpierre 12-17-2020 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 907626)
You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”.
If you go back and look at his numbers, nearly 60% of his numbers were with the Bucs down two scores...

Was able to chart this before on ProFootballReference.com; but they changed their format and they expired my subscription and moved those services to stathead which costs more than I want to spend right now...

Of note, Winston also set a new NFL-record high for pick-sixes in a season with seven...

TheOak 12-18-2020 08:54 AM
Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees
 
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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 907603)
Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.
Someone is trying to correlate and ignoring causation. Rookies throw Interceptions, Payton Manning threw 28 his rookie year. Coaches do not make QBs throw interceptions especially 5 year veteran QBs.

Interceptions are bad decisions or tipped throws. If a 5 year professional QB allowed his coach to make him throw INTs id say that’s evidence of further bad decisions.

iceshack149 12-18-2020 11:04 AM
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I actually want to see Jameis play this weekend.
I disagree. This is a horrible take. You might need to get banned...

AsylumGuido 12-18-2020 11:31 AM
Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 907659)
I disagree. This is a horrible take. You might need to get banned...
I have no doubt you'd want to see Jameis play this weekend. Who knows? Maybe he'd play great. But I do know that for him to get the shot this week something bad would have had to have happened. Taysom injured and Brees not ready. Both bad.

QBREES9 12-20-2020 08:24 AM
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Draft a QB

jnormand 12-20-2020 10:00 AM
Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees
 
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Originally Posted by iceshack149 (Post 907659)
I disagree. This is a horrible take. You might need to get banned...
Oh no. Ice is arguing with himself again. I might have to block one of your personalities.

K Major 12-20-2020 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 907875)
Oh no. Ice is arguing with himself again. I might have to block one of your personalities.
Lol


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