Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Sloppy. I also had no idea we were missing most of our receiving corp. Now many players on defense went injured. I hope we can turn this around.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Losing 3quan hurt us as well.

I'd be open to bringing in a vet who can get create separation like Kenny Stills. Juwan, Taysom and Humphrey isn't gonna cut it in the post season at WR.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

You would think we would be on the phone with Stills last night.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

We can look at the positives. We had no receivers, Brees looked rusty as ****, and yet we still almost won. If w were healthy, I'd feel good about facing them.

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I said it before, during, and I’ll say it after. What I would have done:

Drew Brees should have either not been under center or limited to 15 passing attempts for the whole game. Three weeks left him with some rust and timing issues that was only compounded by having to put receivers on the field that he had no timing familiarity to begin with. Drew provided no value.

The theme of the day should have been to run it down their throats. That would have worn their defensive line down and eliminated an interception allowing us to keep up in the 3rd Qtr which is where they took off (as predicted).

Our defense played spectacularly. Our offensive game plan was made in preseason, 5 seasons ago, without any adjustments for game time elements. We consistently omit the 1st and 10 play with a garbage play call.

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SP made Reid's job easier by starting Brees.

With Brees playing the Chiefs didn't have to worry about the deep ball and a mobile QB.

Hill should have started and if he shyt the bed pull him and put Brees in.

I will put this out there, if Brees had not been coming off of his injury the Saints would have won.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Offense played 55 snaps... defense played 98. The defense practically played two games yesterday compared to the offense.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

I need some bracket guru’s to get busy worst possible senerio s first please.


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Too early to really give scenarios but worst case IMO would be if we were to stumble and lose out we would probably fall to the 6th position and have to play the bucs and it is extremely hard to beat a team 3 times in one year even
though we did it a couple years back vs panthers. I see turning this around and winning out though and still have a shot at a bye if the bears can beat the pack
and us, pack and seachickens all finish 12-4.

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Buds if drew don’t get it going with our receivers we’re in a world of crap


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Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

And what's up with Jared Cook?

I don't like his body language. Everyone is frustrated on offense but Brees comes to you and discuss a play/wrong route and you're pouting?

If you don't want to participate, have a seat.

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Who all got injured. How serious did it look for Hendrickson and Ceedy?

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Agreed, the Buccs a third time.. Brady losing to Payton and Brees a third time in a season would crush him more than not making the playoffs.

That would cement the Brady vs Brees discussion and the talking heads that love Brady so much would never mention it.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

We are so banged up at the WR position. Once they doubled Sanders, it was over.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

This game was pretty simple...

Run the ball and wear down their D. You need to keep Pat on the sidelines, your defense fresh and Brees as limited as possible. You accomplish all of those things by running the ball.

What did we do?
We stop KC in their first possession.

Run AK for 5 yds
Brees with 2 incomplete passes
punt

We stop KC again on a 3 and out

Brees incomplete
AK for 5 yds
Brees picked off

KC goes 30 yds for an easy TD

Drew started 0/6 with a sack and 1 INT

Sean Payton lost this game before it started. Drew was rusty and should have stayed on the bench, but even with him playing we had success running the ball. Run the ball and play good defense, we don't have the QB to win 30+ point games. If Sean doesn't wake up to what this team really is GB will beat us this same way a month from now.

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Seems like the entire team is getting frustrated at how inept the offense is. Now our defense has to play on a short week after playing 2 weeks worth of snaps because we have a coach and QB that can't get past their own ego.

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I’m really liking CJGJ..., a lot, lol.

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The offense ...

These slow starts are killing us.

In the post season, we gotta get out of the gates QUICKLY otherwise it's a uphill climb.

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Dawg.

His approach and mentality to the game is impressive.

I came away impressed with all 11 guys on defense against the champs.

IMO we have a Super bowl caliber defense.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

CJGJ and Peat returned. Trey, Marcus and 3Quan didn’t return.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

I believe that Peat is one of our problems on offense. We are better without him. We've had injuries up and down the line and have not built continuity which spills over to the rest of the team. Ruiz is a little undersized to play guard. He isn't very tall and that lower center of gravity helps him control those big boys in the middle. He's still pretty young and he has plenty of room for growing in an NFL weight room. Mc Coy is a bit of a mauler and will be a solid guard next year.

Edit: Trequan just drops too many balls, doesn't get separation and still seems to be missing the "it" factor. Maybe he'll be better when he comes back.

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To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks.

In a game where you desperately need the players you spent a hefty amount on to step up, he just withered.

Hendrickson and Granderson were hitting or sacking Mahomes any chance they got. Whereas Jordan and Davenport were invisible whenever they were on the field. Once again, Jordan couldn't beat a 3rd string Tackle and got himself ejected.

Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly

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I think Jordan is still great. Every time I saw a replay he was being obviously held and got zero calls from the refs on it. That's why he lost his cool and swung. He was wrong for throwing hands but I get it.

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I think they are at the point where it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. Can’t believe I’m saying it but they are.
Mahommes looked like he didn’t want to be there anymore midway through the 4th. I think you will see him on the injury report.

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Bingo


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Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Understand how you feel about the offensive play calling ... My take means as much as yours ... if we had the Oline to run consistently we would. We can’t gain separation with 1 wide receiver and play fake with full backfield and Brees not able to stay in the pocket for 3.0 seconds. When we spread the field we force the defense to commit to either man to man or zone and that when Brees was successful.

Cooks, not sure what the issue is but if he doesn’t turn the page soon he will be replaced by Johnston. That little ditty with Brees 4th qtr Brees called out the hot read at the line and Cooks blew it. Happens but but his interaction with Brees ... that a problem.

Bottom line coaches coaches and we Monday morning Quarterback.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Not having Mike Thomas was huge.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Patrick does this to ELITE DE's every week though.

I thought Davenport had #15 under serious duress most of the game. Nothing appeared easy but he's the best QB in the NFL.

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When UDFA Carl Granderson and 3rd round pick Hendrickson creates more pressure than a guy that two first round picks were spent on, consider me concerned.

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Just heard pat kerwin on moving the chains ,
IF YOU WANT TO GO AND STAY IN THE PLAYOFFS,

RUN THE FOOTBALL !!!!!!


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Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Just checked also;

Hendrickson has more Sacks this year than Davenport has in his career.

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It is what it is. Trey got swallowed up vs Philly just last week and is bad in run support. Granderson is a good rotational piece. Not an every down DE/pass rusher.

Check out the piece Underhill did on Davenport last month. This guy creates problems and destruction as well as setting the edge.

Saints can build a competitive defense around Marcus. I'm just not as down on him as others.

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That wasn't the only blown hot read. On at least two other (and possibly three plays) the receiver should have cut the route and moved back toward the line. In each case it was one of the young inserts. Brees throws to a point short anticipating that the receiver is going to make the correct read. Each time the ball hit two yards short of the out of position player. Thomas makes that read and is right there to make the play ten times out of ten.

And the drops by both Taysom and Kamara were ugly. They each had more than one. I guess you can blame it on Hill not having a pass thrown his way in over four weeks. Somewhat the same with Kamara. He was averaging almost nine targets per game coming into the first Atlanta game. He saw a total of six targets over the next three games. He had six yesterday and only caught three of them. He still managed 40 yards. No telling what he would have had if he held onto the throws.

By the way, just checked, Taysom was targeted twice and dropped them both.

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Davenport had a lot of pressures, where he collapsed the pocket. As you mentioned, he can set the edge better to support the run than Trey.

He is very similar to Jordan...not a speed edge rusher but he can be an every down end. He gets a lot of flack on this site because he isn’t flashy but he makes plays and pressures that help others to get sacks.

I don’t care who gets them since in a lot of cases it takes a team effort.

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I 5think this understates the problem, we had Sanders and three guys off the practice squad.

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Exactly! And I'm just not talking about catching the ball. I'm talking about being where you are supposed to be when you are supposed to be. That was rare.