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Hey, this is where we Saints fans have to come together and support. Is anyone here really saying the team is better because Kwon got hurt...no.

Is anyone here saying that the remaining defensive player and coaching staff won’t be able to adjust without Kwon...no.

Next man up. A healthy D line (we know all the studs) and a healthy backfield (more studs) along with Davis and an offense that put up 52 on Minnesota WITHOUT Michael Thomas is better than the crap the Suckaneers bring any day !

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I'm not a part of that tight brotherhood of a team. As far as I know neither are you. I can't get inside any of their minds to declare that they do not trust him.

As far as I can remember pretty much every defensive player on our team has missed an assignment here or there. Everyone one of them have missed a tackle. Every one of them that had coverage duties has been burned on routes.

As a player you HAVE to trust your teammates. It's easy for a fan to lose that trust. Players, however, are not fans. They do not have your thought process.

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Well, to be honest, there are several saying our defense will not be as good without Alexander, so that is implying that "the remaining defensive player and coaching staff won’t be able to adjust without Kwon".

Of course, I believe that is rubbish and agree with you, Boston. It's hard for some to be positive.

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Yep probably can’t win a Super Bowl without qwon. What we gonna do?


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Kwon will be there for the Super Bowl. He will just be on the sidelines cheering.

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Guido, "missed an assignment here or there" does not accurately describe Anzalone's play on the field and you know it. My point is a player who can't play well enough becomes a guy you can't trust on the field.

The fact he was phased out and replaced is enough for us to at least infer that coaches couldn't trust him.

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Guido there's reasonable cause for concern when the player who was benched is back in a starting role just before the playoffs. I don't see that as being negative or implying anything other than concern for losing a player that clearly made more of an impact than the guy before him.

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Your reaching here...

Please go back and pull the specific plays your referencing where he missed assignments and it’s objectively proven it was on him. Oh wait, you can’t? That’s ok there is a website that does that for you called pro football focus. Guess what, they have people assigned to watch every player on every play and assign a grade for that play... and wouldn’t you know it PFF happen to rank Alex much better than Kwon.

But hey, let’s ignore the unbiased opinion of highly respected third party rating team(of which professional scouting team have contracts with) and use our opinions alone instead. Or we can do what CSC did with their sloppy write up on how well Kwon did against potent offenses like SF and Denver...lol

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It's not a reach to state Anzalone played less each game as the season progressed. Not is it a reach to state he was benched. I'm secure in both statements because they're FACT.

I don't understand your sarcasm and I really don't care what a stat website says. When's the last time you heard a Head Coach quote PFF stats? I'll wait..... The bottom line is Anzalone was BENCHED for Kwon Alexander because the coaches saw enough.

I hope I'm wrong and Anzalone plays lights out. I'm wrong A LOT and I'll be the first one here to say I was wrong. But until he does, I'll be concerned about his lack of playmaking ability in the playoffs.

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Failed to address any points... didn’t point out a specific play, can’t refute a highly touted and multi-million dollar business on scouting and player ratings. It’s ok I didn’t expect you to.

Lol
Here you go- multiple teams and head coaches talking about using PFF. Also worth noting all 32 pro teams and 80+ College teams use the data for scouting and player insight. Wow, that took all of 30 seconds to find... https://www.pff.com/team-services

For the record, I don’t care about Alex and would rather see Baun get a shot. However, so many of you are delusional in thinking Kwon was this amazing player and our D will suck without him.... wake up.

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I addressed the facts that led to Alex being benched. You sent me a link that used quotes from a "NFL Coach"... Ha! That's about as definitive as a "Source at the White House". Show me a video of an NFL Head Coach saying player X's PFF grades are low so we're addressing it with him. It doesn't happen. And by the way, scouts use a mountain of data including new technology to try to gain an edge. PFF is probably a part of it, but in no way the definitive source for information.

You're also mistaken in calling members here delusional. I haven't read a single post referring to Kwon as "amazing", in fact many have cited his missed tackles and over-aggressive play as potential problems. I haven't read a single post saying "our D will suck without him"... That's

Again - when a benched player who had fallen out of favor is forced back into a starting role for the playoffs, people who wonder if he'll be a liability are justified.

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The minute Kwon arrived, Demario got faster & as coach stated, he was the "fit" they were missing at LB. Constantly freeing up Ceedy/Davis because of his versatility in coverage.

Was he a "perfect" LB? Naw, had his shared of missed assignments/tackles like any one else however he impacted the game completely differently than Anzalone. Guys fed off that energy.

No one on this board is bashing Anzalone but the Saints were looking to get faster. A sideline to sideline dawg. He'll be missed.

Some put way too much emphasis on PFF ratings & individual grades. Trust what you see on Sundays.

It's time for Alex to show up and show out in the post season.

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Where I personally feel Alex is better than Kwon is run defense. Where it's obvious Alex is not (by far) is in coverage. While Kwon is not perfect, it can be said Anzalone is borderline liability in coverage.

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PFF is not a stat website. It is just the opposite. PFF ignores most stats and assigns grade values to how well a player performs his job.

Check this out ... LEARN ABOUT PFF PLAYER GRADES.

If Anzalone was near as bad as you imply he wouldn't be on the active roster at all.

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I beg to differ. There has been quite a bit of Anzalone bashing taking place. I don't know what else you'd call it.

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Coaches went out and made a trade, subsequent demotion for Alex to special teams for a reason AG. Criticism of a 3rd year player under performing in the same defense is warranted.

He needs to perform at a high level as we enter the playoffs as do the rest of his team mates on defense. Smart offensive coordinators already know where they will attack a "weakness".

Good luck to Anzalone in the post season. He'll need it.

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Those same coaches that have been raked over the coals for decisions in the past. What I'm saying is the "woe be us" dialog is a bit over the top. Alexander had his strengths. He also had his weaknesses. Perhaps those weaknesses helped lead to two of our four losses.

Let's just say that I am far less concerned with our defense than some others with the loss of Alexander.

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We got it coach.

Moving on to Carolina ...

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It quotes Mike Holmgren and 2 others directly, but I never would use it alone, it's 1 interesting tool.

Members here are delusional... look no further than AG and YOU :)

There are folks on here proclaiming the end of our D, you'll find them if you look.

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If delusional means I am completely confident that we have the best team in the NFL and will absolutely win our second Lombardi, yes I plead guilty. If my believing that losing Alexander is not going to have a material effect on our achieving those goals, then color me delusional.

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DELUSIONAL! Just kidding Guido. You're a die hard fan.....who is a little delusional now and then. It's OK. We all do that. It's why race horses wear blinders. :smokin:

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Saints to lose 2021 draft pick in Kwon Alexander trade

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...id=hplocalnews

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I'm a little late, but when I heard this news my heart SUNK! THIS IS A HUGE LOSS! We finally had speed and situational awareness from a second linebacker on the field. As someone said, he was a missing piece that really made the whole unit better. I've been so excited watching him since he joined. I see his cousin must have joined this message board, LOL. That's the only way I can rationalize that level of defending.

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Situational awareness? Alexander is primarily a great athlete. By no means is he situationally guided in his play. He does his best freelancing.

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Hell yes , I called him out for 2 years. Oft injured same injury he had at Florida he’s a back up and it’s how he plays. Slow, gets caught up in traffic often, he does get in on tackles after substantial gains , that’s my grade , that ain’t nothing to worry about though, I’m no expert.


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Mike Holmgren? LOL. Does he even use the internet??

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I actually pointed out where I felt Alex was better than Kwon. How’s that implying he shouldn’t be on this team? We’ll all find out soon enough!

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I would argue what you call "freelancing" is him using his brain to diagnose a play and be in the right position. And in the case he was wrong, he has the ability to quickly correct and the speed to catch up and still make a difference.

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This with the exception of the huge blown run in the Eagles game. He hit the wrong gap, did not keep contain, and could not catch up. You can see it here:


Tuttle was double teamed by #62 and #67. Kwon needed to fill the outside gap between #62 and the sideline, turning Sanders back into the interior of the defense. Instead, he tries to slide inside behind #67 and Sanders has a clear lane to the end zone.

SFIAH

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Kwon's season is over.

Coach Allen will need to scheme Alex up to his strengths in the post season.

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Oh well.....:couch:

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Same play mccafery torches people for Carolina


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Likely the start of next season as well. I was in favor of extending him to lower the $13.4 million cap hit but now I’m not so sure.

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Without Kwon Alexander, Saints 'confident in ability' of LB Alex Anzalone

BY AMIE JUST | STAFF WRITER JAN 1, 2021 - 4:41 PM

When the New Orleans Saints traded for linebacker Kwon Alexander ahead of the trade deadline back in early November, coach Sean Payton talked to linebacker Alex Anzalone about what the acquisition meant for him specifically.

Anzalone had started in the eight games prior, playing on the majority of the snaps after coming back from a season-ending shoulder injury the season before.

"I just said, 'Hey, this is always a long season,'" Payton said. "'Stay focused. Continue to improve each week.' And he's done that."

From Weeks 10 to 15, Anzalone's defensive reps were few and far between, seeing an increase in his role on special teams.

But last week against the Minnesota Vikings, Anzalone was called into action after Alexander was carted to the locker room with a non-contact ankle injury that was later revealed to be a torn Achilles tendon.

"We're gonna count on him," Payton said of the plan moving forward.

Saints defensive coordinator Dennis Allen said that the loss of Alexander for the rest of the season hurts the Saints, especially because of the energy and positivity that Alexander brings to the defense, but he also said that Anzalone has "played really well" for the Saints, too.

"We're extremely confident in his ability to go in and step in and play," Allen said, later adding that there's some similarities between how Anzalone and Alexander play.

Because of those parallels, Allen said the Saints won't change much in terms of what they do defensively.

Anzalone has started in 19 games for the Saints since the team drafted him in 2017, with eight of those starts coming this season.

This season, the Florida product has 39 total tackles and three tackles for loss.

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Haters gonna hate.

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So, you want him to lie to us. :wink: If Sean doesn't have enough faith in Thor so that he went out and traded for his replacement I would prefer that he focuses on the game plan rather than giving us the hype. I was a big fan of his but he has regressed and is a liability more than a sure fire starter now. I'm not disrespecting him. I now recognize his short comings is all. Just sayin'!:cool: