Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

blackangold · 12-26-2020, 03:03 PM

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Budsdrinker · 12-28-2020, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon?

Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot...

And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy,

Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon...

And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion...

Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time...

12-26-2020, 03:03 PM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Budsdrinker, AsylumGuido and FinSaint like this.
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12-28-2020, 09:19 AM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

12-30-2020, 02:29 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon? Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot... And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy, Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon... And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion... Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time... saintsfan1976, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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