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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, when you limit the number of picks, you limit the criticism, and those criticisms were correctly identified and bore out... Most NFL picks do not pan out. You know that as well as I. It's ...
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Most NFL picks do not pan out. You know that as well as I. It's easy to "pick" them apart. (see what I did there?)![]()
I know you, JP. The draft is your favorite part of the NFL season. This last draft must have been hard on you with so few picks. You must have been on suicide watch back in 1999. |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
First, you don't know me, I'm not featured on CBS Sirius radio...![]()
Second, perennial contenders build through the draft, you don't need special inside knowledge to recognize this by the numbers... Third, the numbers bear out, the more picks, the greater the chances of increasing team talent level - evidenced by the 2017 Saints... |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Tell that to the Vikings with their 15 picks. More picks do not necessarily mean better picks. If you can evaluate talent efficiently and targeting that talent means moving up to absolutely make sure you get that talent, then settling for more players deemed lesser is not better.![]()
As for 2017, it wasn't the number of the picks, it was the quality of the players taken with those picks. I don't know if you play darts or not, but if I was given a choice of throwing a fist full of darts at one time and five darts one at a time I would bet the bank on getting more bullseyes on those five darts every time. Yes, perennial winners do build through the draft. Those winners don't need a ton of picks to accomplish that, however. And we all know you well enough to know how much the draft and the evaluation of the draftees means to you. No need for satellite radio to show us that. ![]() Oh, and I listen to XM, not Sirius. |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
So you blatantly ignore that the Saints biggest jump from the 7-9 seasons to contender was because of the 2017 draft?![]()
That draft yielded Lattimore, Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, Alvin Kamara, Alex Anzalone, and Trey Hendrickson? Take any one of those players away from that haul and is this team an elite contender the last four seasons? No. Because each one, with the exception of Anzalone, has produced at an elite level - keeping those positions from being a liability... It was the draft and a lot of picks in that draft that put us there. It's the elephant in the room you ignore because you've got fingers in your ears and your eyes closed so you won't face you are wrong... |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Where have I ever said that drafts aren't important, JP? The biggest jump from the 7-9 seasons was it being the third year of our major rebuild. The fortunate draft was a part of that rebuild. Free agents A.J. Klein, Larry Warford, Alex Okafer, and Ted Ginn were also meaningful additions in 2017. But, yes, the draft class was special. Would it have been better if we had five more draft picks? Probably not since to have more picks we would have had to have traded down to acquire them. Like I said before, making good use of your picks is far more important than having a larger number of picks. Quality over quantity any day ... just like the 2017 draft class. ![]()
We didn't have "a lot of picks in that draft". The fact is we had the normal number of draft picks in 2017 ... seven. Six of those seven came in the first three rounds, however. The key was not the number of picks, but the quality of those picks. The quality was there because of where the picks fell. Higher round picks will usually be more impactful if the draft is done correctly, right? Would you rather have six picks (two 1st's, one 2nd, and three 3rd's) in the first three rounds or 15 picks with only three picks in the first three rounds? |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Not always, “usually”?, not so sure about that either. Go back previous to the 2017 draft and look at our “high round” success. Guys like Stephone Anthony would like a word with you, and imho, he isn’t alone, Grayson, Kikaha, Baptiste, Vaccarro, JJenkins, etc... Bottom line, you gotta have draft choices though, and the fewer you have the fewer options you have. Personally, I enjoyed the movement to get Two Firsts..., but a fair argument can be made that the price paid was WAY too steep, and quite a few here would safely argue it has been proven through his play. It’s a logic I would completely understand. Otherwise, just trade all your draft picks, including future picks away for that “high round” guy you absolutely need, and is considered a sure thing. Then, lol, join Ditka for a round of golf or two on draft day.
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by gosaints1
Yes, usually you would expect higher round picks to be more successful. Have we had misses in high rounds? Absolutely. Would you rather have the 6 high round picks (two 1st's, one 2nd, and three 3rd's) we had in 2017 or 15 total picks with 3 in the first three rounds and the other 12 in rounds 5 through 7? ![]()
The quality of the pick locations (rounds available) with all other factors being the same (same people making the picks) is more impactful than the quantity of picks. Do you not agree? |
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Kind of like you were when you disappeared after your man of steel got schooled by Brady? Loudest mouth on here when things are going your way but when we lose all we hear is crickets.
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Re: SI.com/Bob Rose | Saints Assistants Getting Attention from NFL Teams
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He's out crusing in his non existent 1954 Ford Fairlane 500, listening to XM radio and "Considering his audience" while trying to remember the last time he made a mistake.![]()
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