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jeanpierre 01-04-2021 04:51 PM

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AsylumGuido 01-04-2021 04:57 PM

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Things will heat up even more after we win our second Lombardi on February 7th.

Yes, the same date as we won our first Lombardi.

No doubt we'll lose a few excellent coaches ... at least in some of our minds. There remain a few that will celebrate. :confused:

MatthewT 01-05-2021 07:46 AM

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It is time for Pete Carmichael to land a head coaching job, way overdue.

TheOak 01-05-2021 08:24 AM

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If we had a practice squad coach, he would be getting the most looks.

Rugby Saint II 01-05-2021 12:03 PM

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I'm most worried about losing Nielson. He turned around the D-line and then the secondary improved. Just last year and even earlier this year we were turning on Allen and Glenn because we were a better team than we put out on the field.

They can have Fontenot though. He's been pretty much hit or miss in his time here. He only improved when my man Ireland cleaned house in the scouting department and cleared up the specifics of what we wanted from a draft pick.

I don't think Ireland will go anywhere else. He's very well paid and is well respected here in New Orleans. Change his title to whatever but keep him here doing his thing of giving us tons of talent. He failed as a GM before but is one heck of a scouting director. Why leave the perfect place for what may or may not be greener pastures?

K Major 01-05-2021 12:09 PM

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Agreed on coach Nielsen.

At some point, I believe he’ll get a opportunity at DC.

RailBoss 01-05-2021 12:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 910402)
Agreed on coach Nielsen.

At some point, I believe he’ll get a opportunity at DC.

Heck yeah, I would imagine he's been getting a lot of looks. But if he
goes who will bail out DA's a$$.

AsylumGuido 01-05-2021 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 910406)
Heck yeah, I would imagine he's been getting a lot of looks. But if he
goes who will bail out DA's a$$.

While he's an excellent position coach, there's no guarantee he is DC material. Lots of good position coaches don't transition well to coordinator. The same with coordinators transitioning to head coach. Both are significant changes.

gosaints1 01-05-2021 04:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910417)
While he's an excellent position coach, there's no guarantee he is DC material. Lots of good position coaches don't transition well to coordinator. The same with coordinators transitioning to head coach. Both are significant changes.

Agreed. Pointing directly at Doug Marrone..., oof. One of the worst head coaching hires ever.

Boston Saint 01-05-2021 04:22 PM

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SaintGnome 01-05-2021 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 910375)
It is time for Pete Carmichael to land a head coaching job, way overdue.

I would hope so for his sake, but I dunno, Pete doesn't seem to get any credit nationally. Watching games on TV, I can't remember the last time I saw him on camera. Sean gets all national credit for our O. I think we'll lose DA first.

dizzle88 01-06-2021 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 910434)
I would hope so for his sake, but I dunno, Pete doesn't seem to get any credit nationally. Watching games on TV, I can't remember the last time I saw him on camera. Sean gets all national credit for our O. I think we'll lose DA first.

Fond memories of when Pete took on a bigger role in playcalling in 2011 and our offense literally exploded.

AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 910421)

A interesting side note, the Maroons were an NFL franchise based in Pottsville, Pennsylvania. They went undefeated in 1925, but were stripped of the chance to be campions because the played an exhibition game in another franchise's territory. Of course, they still claimed the title.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...le_Maroons.png

https://images2.minutemediacdn.com/i...l-game.jpg.jpg

Now back to our regular programming.

TheOak 01-06-2021 08:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 910375)
It is time for Pete Carmichael to land a head coaching job, way overdue.

But is he? If I asked my daughter who the offensive coordinator for the Saints is, they would hit the internet and come back with Pete Carmichael. If I asked any of you or our opponents who coordinates and runs the offense the response would be Sean Payton. I don’t recall anyone yelling “*^%#ing Pete” after a questionable play.

If Pete were (already has interviewed for the Bears in 2013) offered a position on another team it would be to get insights on Sean Payton and Pete knows that.

The Bears job would have been the stepping stone to a HC position... he didn’t take it. If he has the skill sets that we assume, he would be the heir apparent to Sean Payton.

AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 910477)
But is he? If I asked my daughter who the offensive coordinator for the Saints is, they would hit the internet and come back with Pete Carmichael. If I asked any of you or our opponents who coordinates and runs the offense the response would be Sean Payton. I don’t recall anyone yelling “*^%#ing Pete” after a questionable play.

If Pete were (already has interviewed for the Bears in 2013) offered a position on another team it would be to get insights on Sean Payton and Pete knows that.

The Bears job would have been the stepping stone to a HC position... he didn’t take it. If he has the skill sets that we assume, he would be the heir apparent to Sean Payton.

I expect Payton to leave soon after Brees decides to retire. Another reason why I hope Brees decides to continue past this season.

turbo_dog 01-06-2021 09:07 AM

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I would think there are some front office people who are on other team's radars as well. Given the success we've had with drafts, salary negotiation, cap deallings, etc. As much as we want to keep the team together, it is a sign of success when others want what you have.

jeanpierre 01-06-2021 02:15 PM

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Rugby Saint II 01-06-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 910499)

It would be fine if he gets away and we keep the rest of the staff intact. But in reality everyone wants what the winners have so we may lose a few.

Rugby Saint II 01-06-2021 04:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 910499)

It would be fine if he gets away and we keep the rest of the staff intact. But in reality everyone wants what the winners have. So, we may lose a few.

AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 04:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 910511)
It would be fine if he gets away and we keep the rest of the staff intact. But in reality everyone wants what the winners have. So, we may lose a few.

You can say that again. Oh, wait, you did.

TheOak 01-07-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910479)
I expect Payton to leave soon after Brees decides to retire. Another reason why I hope Brees decides to continue past this season.

I am not sure what to expect from Payton as I do not know what his personal drivers are. He has a net worth of +/- $25M, 1 Super Bowl trophy, 26th all time winning-est coach in the NFL, and at 56 years old he is young even by NFL standards with 9 HCs older than he is.
  • Does he want another SB trophy with the Saints.
  • Does he want another SB trophy with a different team to help get him into the HoF.
  • Does he want another SB with a different QB to speak to his skillset and remove the Brees shadow.
  • Is he comfortable where he lives and wants to work the rest of his career out living in New Orleans
  • Is he tired and only wants to coach Drew
  • Does his GF play a part in his future
  • Will his children effect whether he wants to live in or move out of New Orleans.

Only he knows these answers and I would take everything he says publicly with a grain of salt, he has a line to tow while he is under contract.

K Major 01-07-2021 09:54 AM

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Jets request interview w/Saints secondary coach - Aaron Glenn.

https://nfltraderumors.co/jets-reque...h-aaron-glenn/

Rugby Saint II 01-07-2021 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910479)
I expect Payton to leave soon after Brees decides to retire. Another reason why I hope Brees decides to continue past this season.

Please explain why he would leave New Orleans. I just don't see it. This franchise is literally built around him.

TheOak 01-07-2021 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 910550)
Please explain why he would leave New Orleans. I just don't see it. This franchise is literally built around him.

I’d go as far as to say he built this franchise, at least the last 14 years which it notably its mode successful period.

I know a lot of people call him arrogant but I can’t think of a successful NFL coach that isn’t/wasn’t.. Lombardi, Schula, Landry, Belichik, Parcells, Gruden, all have the same character trait, they were arrogant and full of hubris. Not Jerry Jones sort of obnoxious arrogance but a more subdued arrogance.

A certain level of it is required to lead men into a combat environment.

K Major 01-09-2021 12:50 PM

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I heard Zach S say that Saints Dline coach Ryan Nielsen could get the LSU DC job.

Just an fyi …

jeanpierre 01-14-2021 09:31 AM

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jeanpierre 01-14-2021 09:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 910687)
I heard Zach S say that Saints Dline coach Ryan Nielsen could get the LSU DC job.

Just an fyi …

What if? That had happened and Nielsen phoned Payton and recommended an LSU player as a prospect for Sean Payton to select? ;)

jeanpierre 01-14-2021 09:50 AM

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Worth noting that if Fontenot is hired by the A-T-L, we get a compensatory pick (possibly as high as a 3rd'er)...

Sure hope they hire him so Sean Payton can trade it away in another massive draft overspend...

AsylumGuido 01-14-2021 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 911568)
Worth noting that if Fontenot is hired by the A-T-L, we get a compensatory pick (possibly as high as a 3rd'er)...

Sure hope they hire him so Sean Payton can trade it away in another massive draft overspend...

I hope so, too. You are running low on draft related things to gripe about.

;)

jeanpierre 01-14-2021 10:55 AM

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C'mon A-T-L!


jeanpierre 01-14-2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 911576)
I hope so, too. You are running low on draft related things to gripe about.

;)

Well, when you limit the number of picks, you limit the criticism, and those criticisms were correctly identified and bore out...

jeanpierre 01-14-2021 03:45 PM

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jeanpierre 01-14-2021 03:47 PM

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Here's what one of the PFF guys thinks; personally, am hoping Campbell stays and is Payton's successor within the next season or two...


AsylumGuido 01-14-2021 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 911607)
Well, when you limit the number of picks, you limit the criticism, and those criticisms were correctly identified and bore out...

Most NFL picks do not pan out. You know that as well as I. It's easy to "pick" them apart. (see what I did there?)

I know you, JP. The draft is your favorite part of the NFL season. This last draft must have been hard on you with so few picks. You must have been on suicide watch back in 1999.

ChrisXVI 01-14-2021 05:39 PM

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3rd round comp picks for Bridgewater and Fontenot!

https://i.ibb.co/n6KQx6m/8-D8760-A3-...DF04-BDB46.gif

jeanpierre 01-15-2021 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 911616)
Most NFL picks do not pan out. You know that as well as I. It's easy to "pick" them apart. (see what I did there?)

I know you, JP. The draft is your favorite part of the NFL season. This last draft must have been hard on you with so few picks. You must have been on suicide watch back in 1999.

First, you don't know me, I'm not featured on CBS Sirius radio...

Second, perennial contenders build through the draft, you don't need special inside knowledge to recognize this by the numbers...

Third, the numbers bear out, the more picks, the greater the chances of increasing team talent level - evidenced by the 2017 Saints...

jeanpierre 01-15-2021 07:58 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-15-2021 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 911637)
First, you don't know me, I'm not featured on CBS Sirius radio...

Second, perennial contenders build through the draft, you don't need special inside knowledge to recognize this by the numbers...

Third, the numbers bear out, the more picks, the greater the chances of increasing team talent level - evidenced by the 2017 Saints...

Tell that to the Vikings with their 15 picks. More picks do not necessarily mean better picks. If you can evaluate talent efficiently and targeting that talent means moving up to absolutely make sure you get that talent, then settling for more players deemed lesser is not better.

As for 2017, it wasn't the number of the picks, it was the quality of the players taken with those picks. I don't know if you play darts or not, but if I was given a choice of throwing a fist full of darts at one time and five darts one at a time I would bet the bank on getting more bullseyes on those five darts every time.

Yes, perennial winners do build through the draft. Those winners don't need a ton of picks to accomplish that, however.

And we all know you well enough to know how much the draft and the evaluation of the draftees means to you. No need for satellite radio to show us that. :D

Oh, and I listen to XM, not Sirius.

vpheughan 01-15-2021 09:29 AM

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See how thin you can split that hair!!

Did you consider your audience? The casual fan blah blah blah........."


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XM Satellite Radio
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XM Satellite Radio was one of the three satellite radio and online radio services in the United States and Canada, operated by Sirius XM Holdings. It provided pay-for-service radio, analogous to subscription cable television.

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AsylumGuido 01-15-2021 09:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 911651)
See how thin you can split that hair!!

Did you consider your audience? The casual fan blah blah blah........."


Sirius XM Holdings Inc. is an American broadcasting company headquartered in Midtown Manhattan, New York City that provides satellite radio and online radio services operating in the United States. It was formed by the 2008 merger of Sirius Satellite Radio and XM Satellite Radio, merging them into SiriusXM Radio.

XM Satellite Radio
Radio broadcasting company

XM Satellite Radio was one of the three satellite radio and online radio services in the United States and Canada, operated by Sirius XM Holdings. It provided pay-for-service radio, analogous to subscription cable television.

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I have always had an XM receiver therefore I get XM channels. Perhaps you were not aware there are XM, Sirius, and SiriusXM channels and they can be different.

"There are three different kinds of radios, each with different technology: Sirius radios, XM radios and SiriusXM radios. Radios labeled as Sirius radios can only receive Sirius packages, XM radios can only receive XM packages, and SiriusXM radios can only receive SiriusXM packages."

XM technology is generally recognized to have better sound quality than Sirius, as well. It is a more established technology.


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