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AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 04:08 PM

Saints Wildcard Playoff Injury Report
 


AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 04:09 PM

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Notice the absence of Michael Thomas from the list. Looks like he has no issues.

AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 04:48 PM

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SaintFanInATLHELL 01-06-2021 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910507)
Notice the absence of Michael Thomas from the list. Looks like he has no issues.

He's still on IR and as such doesn't have to be listed on the injury report. Note that no one else currently on IR (Harris,Robinson) are listed either.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido 01-06-2021 05:25 PM

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Rugby Saint II 01-07-2021 09:56 AM

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No mention of Kamara?

AsylumGuido 01-07-2021 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 910549)
No mention of Kamara?

He can't be activated until Saturday or Sunday. Then he'll be listed as "returned from COVID19 list".

Rugby Saint II 01-07-2021 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910559)
He can't be activated until Saturday or Sunday. Then he'll be listed as "returned from COVID19 list".

Thank you good sir.

Papa Voodoo 01-07-2021 04:44 PM

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Aside from Kwon looks like we are healthy going in versus beat up like 2010.

dizzle88 01-07-2021 05:38 PM

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Apparently CJGJ still hasn't come back from the Covid list.

AsylumGuido 01-07-2021 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910581)
Apparently CJGJ still hasn't come back from the Covid list.

Not that I can find. Not sure of his status.

gulfgambler 01-07-2021 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 910549)
No mention of Kamara?

He also is not allowed at the Saints facility. No practice, meetings, etc.
eligible to be activated Sunday if testing negative, meaning he could play
even without practicing with the team.

K Major 01-07-2021 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910581)
Apparently CJGJ still hasn't come back from the Covid list.

https://twitter.com/CGJXXIII/status/...793597441?s=20

AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 08:55 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 09:01 AM

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dizzle88 01-08-2021 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 910591)

Thanks Major, great news!

ChrisXVI 01-08-2021 02:51 PM

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dizzle88 01-08-2021 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 910631)

That's a huge loss, Davenport is pretty fricking useless at this point. :(

K Major 01-08-2021 03:06 PM

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Unfortunate for Trey. I think this team is capable of defeating the Bears without him, however it is a must we get him back next week.

Granderson & Davenport will need to bring their A game.

Ice up Hendrickson.

ChrisXVI 01-08-2021 03:08 PM

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Cam Jordan isn’t getting any pressure on QB’s... It’s pretty much all on Davenport this weekend. Granderson ain’t there yet.

dizzle88 01-08-2021 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 910634)
Cam Jordan isn’t getting any pressure on QB’s... It’s pretty much all on Davenport this weekend. Granderson ain’t there yet.

Granderson is better than Davenport to be honest. 5 sacks in limited snaps, vs 1.5 for Davenport.

K Major 01-08-2021 03:14 PM

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Carl has looked good & has been disruptive (see Chiefs/Carolina games).

Again, in a limited role he's played extremely well.

AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 910634)
Cam Jordan isn’t getting any pressure on QB’s... It’s pretty much all on Davenport this weekend. Granderson ain’t there yet.

Cam Jordan is second on the team behind Hendrickson in QB Pressures (32 to 26), second in sacks (13.5 to 7.5), and second in QB Knock Downs (9 to 8). Jordan is also second on the team in QB Hurries with 10, while Davenport leads the team with 11. Hendrickson is third with 9. Jordan also leads defensive lineman in combined tackles with 51. Onyemata is second with 44. Hendrickson is fifth with 25.

I don't know what games you're watching Chris, but Cam is more than holding his own given he's getting doubled regularly.

AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910635)
Granderson is better than Davenport to be honest. 5 sacks in limited snaps, vs 1.5 for Davenport.

There is more to playing defensive line than sacks, diz. Granderson has the highest percentage of missed tackles on the entire Saints team at 22.2%. Davenport, on the other hand, is only one of two defensive linemen without a missed tackle all season. Malcom Roach is the other with far fewer chances. If Davenport gets a hand on the runner he's going down every time.

dizzle88 01-08-2021 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910644)
There is more to playing defensive line than sacks, diz. Granderson has the highest percentage of missed tackles on the entire Saints team at 22.2%. Davenport, on the other hand, is only one of two defensive linemen without a missed tackle all season. Malcom Roach is the other with far fewer chances. If Davenport gets a hand on the runner he's going down every time.

Whilst you are correct about there's more to playing DE than sacks, he should still be getting some. 1.5 this year is utterly terrible and all I ever see Davenport doing is taking bad angles, losing contain, beating the O line but running straight past the QB.

Where has the stat come from where Davenport hasn't missed a tackle? Because I can remember a bunch of missed ones right now.

Physically he is a beast, but I've frankly lost count of the amount of times he's overran the QB or gone too high for the sack and missed completely. 2 first round picks.

WhoDat!656 01-08-2021 06:09 PM

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Saints activate C.J. Gardner-Johnson off COVID-19 list

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...covid-19-list/

Audiotom 01-08-2021 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910635)
Granderson is better than Davenport to be honest. 5 sacks in limited snaps, vs 1.5 for Davenport.

Davenport is forcing sacks to the middle and contain

He isn’t short changing things


Look at Cam Jordan’s first years

Kwon Alexander missing behind him is the issue
Anzalone can’t cover in the flats or work the edge

CJGJ will help shore this up

Boston Saint 01-08-2021 06:28 PM

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I see Cam getting held on every third play he pass rushes.

AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910648)
Whilst you are correct about there's more to playing DE than sacks, he should still be getting some. 1.5 this year is utterly terrible and all I ever see Davenport doing is taking bad angles, losing contain, beating the O line but running straight past the QB.

Where has the stat come from where Davenport hasn't missed a tackle? Because I can remember a bunch of missed ones right now.

Physically he is a beast, but I've frankly lost count of the amount of times he's overran the QB or gone too high for the sack and missed completely. 2 first round picks.

Right here, diz.

Saints Advanced Defense

You've been seeing thing that aren't there then. You do not have to sack the QB to majorly affect the play. I'd figure that you knew that. Putting pressure on to force the QB to move from his spot changes the designed play every time. Yeah, sacks are splashy, but keep that QB off his spot is just as important. But, if you haven't noticed, Davenport has been more important against the run which is just as important. That's where he hasn't missed a single tackle.

AsylumGuido 01-08-2021 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 910652)
Davenport is forcing sacks to the middle and contain

He isn’t short changing things


Look at Cam Jordan’s first years

Kwon Alexander missing behind him is the issue
Anzalone can’t cover in the flats or work the edge

CJGJ will help shore this up

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 910653)
I see Cam getting held on every third play he pass rushes.

Bingo! And that is Cam's importance. His teammates know he's a total stud. He gives them a chance to get their numbers. Jordan is totally unselfish and wants just one thing and that is to win. Personal glory be damned.

iceshack149 01-08-2021 07:55 PM

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Remember this old toy? I think of Davenport when I see it.

dizzle88 01-09-2021 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910657)
Right here, diz.

Saints Advanced Defense

You've been seeing thing that aren't there then
. You do not have to sack the QB to majorly affect the play. I'd figure that you knew that. Putting pressure on to force the QB to move from his spot changes the designed play every time. Yeah, sacks are splashy, but keep that QB off his spot is just as important. But, if you haven't noticed, Davenport has been more important against the run which is just as important. That's where he hasn't missed a single tackle.

Same to you Guido.

But here's an example, he goes up field and allows a big alley for the RB, technically he forces the guy back inside which is good but he goes for and misses the tackle and Demario cleans it up 10-15 yards later.

Whilst I can admit that he is good against the run, I'm not sure those stats are correct as I've seen him miss tackles.

I'm guessing missed Sacks aren't counted as missed tackles in those stats? Because he has missed a few of those too.

Yes Sacks are flashy plays, but for the price tag paid he should be getting them. When Trey is in Davenports spot, he racks them up, so why can't Marcus?

AsylumGuido 01-09-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 910670)
Same to you Guido.

But here's an example, he goes up field and allows a big alley for the RB, technically he forces the guy back inside which is good but he goes for and misses the tackle and Demario cleans it up 10-15 yards later.

Whilst I can admit that he is good against the run, I'm not sure those stats are correct as I've seen him miss tackles.

I'm guessing missed Sacks aren't counted as missed tackles in those stats? Because he has missed a few of those too.

Yes Sacks are flashy plays, but for the price tag paid he should be getting them. When Trey is in Davenports spot, he racks them up, so why can't Marcus?

Missing a tackle is not the same as not getting to the tackle. Davenport was in position, as you said, to force the player inside. There's no way to assume he'd be able to catch the runner from that position himself. Any missed tackle on that play would have had to been on the interior. I suppose with a perfectly timed dive he may have got a hand on the runner's foot to trip him up. That would have been an outstanding play, but not a tackle that should have been made.

A missed tackle assumes the player is in position to make the tackle and fails to complete what should take place, not what could have taken place. When Davenport gets his hands on the ball carrier he is going down ... every time.

Football Outsiders describes missed tackles as "broken tackles", but it is the same criteria basically used by others in measuring missed tackles.

Broken Tackles

"Historically, we have defined a "broken tackle" (or missed tackle) as one of two events: either the ball carrier escapes from the grasp of the defender, or the defender is in good position for a tackle but the ball carrier jukes him out of his shoes. If the ball carrier sped by a slow defender who dived and missed, that didn't count as a broken tackle. It also doesn't count as a broken tackle if a defender gets a hand on the ball carrier but is effectively being blocked out of the play by another offensive player. We only measure broken tackles for standard plays; volunteers didn't have the time to track them for all special teams plays."

"This year (2014), we added a third category, "dragged" broken tackles where defenders were able to bring the ball carrier to the ground, but only after the runner had gained at least 5 yards from the point where the tackle started."

AsylumGuido 01-09-2021 03:07 PM

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This helps matters.


The Dude 01-09-2021 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910702)

If we need those two to be out in order to win the game we aren’t getting very far.

AsylumGuido 01-09-2021 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 910705)
If we need those two to be out in order to win the game we aren’t getting very far.

Did I say anywhere that we need those to out to win the game? Does it not help matters when your opponent is missing their top inside linebacker?

I remember that day and a half when you said you were turning a new leaf and becoming positive. Glad to see you back to your old self.

;)

The Dude 01-09-2021 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 910708)
Did I say anywhere that we need those to out to win the game? Does it not help matters when your opponent is missing their top inside linebacker?

I remember that day and a half when you said you were turning a new leaf and becoming positive. Glad to see you back to your old self.

;)

What is it about our playoff history makes you think we have any shot at a SB whatsoever? What is it about Brees performance or health that makes you think he’ll even make it through the playoffs? Brady has done much more in the playoffs with much less than he has right now in Tampa. If anything Brees plays worse in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. If we manage a win against Chicago we will go on to lose against Tampa and he will retire having to live with the fact that the team that took him out was led by Brady. The NFL will point to that fact every single time they want to slobber on his knob by calling him the GOAT.

AsylumGuido 01-09-2021 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 910712)
What is it about our playoff history makes you think we have any shot at a SB whatsoever? What is it about Brees performance or health that makes you think he’ll even make it through the playoffs? Brady has done much more in the playoffs with much less than he has right now in Tampa. If anything Brees plays worse in the playoffs than he does in the regular season. If we manage a win against Chicago we will go on to lose against Tampa and he will retire having to live with the fact that the team that took him out was led by Brady. The NFL will point to that fact every single time they want to slobber on his knob by calling him the GOAT.

Sounds like you need to be slobbering on spkb25's knob.

iceshack149 01-09-2021 04:43 PM

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This thread turned up aces.

WhoDat!656 01-10-2021 12:05 AM

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Saints activate Alvin Kamara, Michael Thomas ahead of wild-card meeting with Bears


https://www.nfl.com/news/saints-acti...ting-with-bear


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