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Posted 09-29-2013 at 11:32 AM by homerj07

Shouldn't a qualification for being a member of the US Congress be at least limited intelligence AND understanding of how Congress & the Federal Government work?

Once again the dumabasses in the house are threatening to shut down the government over debt ceilings, money, taxes & the Affordable HealthCare Act.

I don't care a persons views or standings just support yourself with facts. Yes that dirty word - FACTS. Not what you here from Fox or Rush Limpdick or Michael Moore or MSNBC but facts.

The debt ceiling argument shows the absolute ignorance & stupidity of many people in Congress. We have already spent the money. Now you have to pay. It would be like going to a restaurant & ordering a large expensive meal & the deciding at the end you don want to pay.

Yes dear god yes I understand the need to reign in spending but this is not the way to do it (neither is cutting food stamps by the way)

Ohhhh - here's an idea lets pull out of Afghanistan how much would that save?Let's not give subsidies to HUGE companies (oil! farm, etc.) & let's restructure the tax code so that everyone wealthy & not pay a fair share.

I am soundly middle class. My profession choice insures that. But I am sick & tired of paying more than my fair share when people who make MILLIONS & BILLIONS of dollars are not.

Don't blame the country's problems on the rather minuscule amounts we pay for Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps & unemployment when We allow the corporations to bilk the country for 10 times as much.

Time for the members of Congress who have any intelligence & balls to stand up & do what is right for the country NOT what is right for the to get reelected.
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  1. Old Comment
    BoudinSandwich's Avatar
    They make hundreds of thousands of dollars every year and they can't even balance a checkbook.
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    Posted 10-01-2013 at 05:15 AM by BoudinSandwich BoudinSandwich is offline

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    SmashMouth's Avatar
    Great point!!!


    Shouldn't a qualification for being a member of the US Congress be at least limited intelligence AND understanding of how Congress & the Federal Government work?
    How can you explain PRESBO getting elected twice then? Is he not currently usurping his constitutionally granted powers with his illegal executive directives?

    Once again the dumabasses in the house are threatening to shut down the government over debt ceilings, money, taxes & the Affordable HealthCare Act.
    Not true as a plethora of bills were passed and Harry Reid in the Senate tabled them. It is the Dems that are causing this shutdown...nothing new here!

    I don't care a persons views or standings just support yourself with facts. Yes that dirty word - FACTS. Not what you here from Fox or Rush Limpdick or Michael Moore or MSNBC but facts.
    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time


    The debt ceiling argument shows the absolute ignorance & stupidity of many people in Congress. We have already spent the money. Now you have to pay. It would be like going to a restaurant & ordering a large expensive meal & the deciding at the end you don want to pay.
    They have spent money alright, but not where you think. All we have to show for it is greater debt and spending. Since 2008, the Federal government has practically doubled spending. Have you doubled your spending since also and are able to balance your budget?


    Yes dear god yes I understand the need to reign in spending but this is not the way to do it (neither is cutting food stamps by the way)
    Just go back to 2008 spending levels...they do not have the guts to do it!

    Ohhhh - here's an idea lets pull out of Afghanistan how much would that save?Let's not give subsidies to HUGE companies (oil! farm, etc.) & let's restructure the tax code so that everyone wealthy & not pay a fair share.
    The answer you ask? HR 25 ... its ramifications will solve a multifaceted problem and transfer a balance of power back to the people, as it should be. That and passing the "Liberty Amendments".

    I am soundly middle class. My profession choice insures that. But I am sick & tired of paying more than my fair share when people who make MILLIONS & BILLIONS of dollars are not.
    Then don't vote liberal... these types always take money out of your pockets... they need it for Obama Phones and take your pic other bloated federal program.

    Don't blame the country's problems on the rather minuscule amounts we pay for Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps & unemployment when We allow the corporations to bilk the country for 10 times as much.
    Not a minuscule amount as the Captain Obvious example clusterfuvk Obamacare is. And yes... every penny counts

    Time for the members of Congress who have any intelligence & balls to stand up & do what is right for the country NOT what is right for the to get reelected.
    That is the first you said that makes common sense. But you must sprinkle in the American People in there, for it is we, and only we, that can make these changes. BTW... that is what Ted Cruz is attempting to do.

    I am glad you care, btw, Homer!
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    Posted 10-02-2013 at 12:51 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is offline
    Updated 10-02-2013 at 12:55 PM by SmashMouth
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    TheOak's Avatar
    Barrack Obama ~ "I will not negotiate"
    Jay Carney ~ I can say that this administration does not believe that the 14th Amendment gives the president the power to ignore the debt ceiling period.

    There you have the reasons for the shut down. The debt ceiling was ignored when laws were made and the President refuses to negotiate.
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    Posted 10-03-2013 at 12:40 PM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    WHODATINCA's Avatar
    Oak, are you actually watching the news?!? Are you hearing what the Republicans are saying? The Republicans are holding the country hostage because of the ACA ( Obama Care ).

    Wow. Facts needed here too.
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    Posted 10-05-2013 at 02:00 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    WHODATINCA's Avatar
    Thanks for the post Homer -- totally agree.
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    Posted 10-05-2013 at 02:02 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    TheOak's Avatar
    What the republicans are saying is as reliable a litmus test on reality as what the Democrats are saying.

    The reality is that BOTH party's refuse to budge and that makes it a 50/50 blame hostage situation on the parties. If you are going to insist that law is law then you are resigned to standing ground that Democrats should just accept the Second Amendment.

    I am resigned to not allowing partisan news organizations and inept politicians dictate my perception of reality.
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    Posted 10-10-2013 at 08:50 AM by TheOak TheOak is offline
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    WHODATINCA's Avatar
    The Republicans COULD have declared that:
    1. Until all abortions cease in the US they are going to de-fund the government, or
    2. Until the rich pay no taxes at all, or
    3. Until all the SEC's policing of Wall Street ceases or
    4. Until we crown Donald F**king Trump as King -- no money for running the government.

    You see? THE REASON IS 100% IRRELEVANT.

    Funding the government IS NOT A MATTER FOR DEBATE. And, my assertion of that fact comes not from the news media -- but from the Constitution that you say you hold so dear, Oak. Our Constitution says that we will have a government. Period, end of the argument.

    Oak, your argument on this subject is specious.
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    Posted 10-12-2013 at 11:37 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    "Boner" actually agreed on a news show this week, that he had come to an agreement with the president on the negotiated $986 Billion in spending. He went back on his word, and has been spineless.

    Next time you need to pay your credit card bill, call up Chase, or Bank of America, or whatever your company is--tell them "Hey, I'm not going to pay my bill, unless you take that charge off, for the television my wife bought." See what that gets you.

    I can tell you--it'll get you a higher rate, a huge late-payment fee of $40, and that is what we're going to get by a minority in Congress trying to take our government hostage.

    Oh yea, by the way, 1.5 MILLION more people voted for Democrats in House races in 2012--the only reason Republicans have ANY power is they stole it with gerrymandering of districts, tossing all the democrats into the same one, and distributing republicans where they could win all of the surrounding ones, in several States ALEC controls.
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    Posted 10-16-2013 at 11:06 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    "Obama Phones," uh-oh, someone is watching FAKE News.

    Watch MSNBC--it's still right-wing, but much closer to the center, and relatively honest. There is that Scarborough guy, who was once a radical right-winger, that I hated. It's a sad world, where Scar and Rove are now the voices of reason.

    All corporate media is intrinsically right-wing. It's why we never see anything about shutting down the some-odd 800 military bases that cost a fortune to maintain, with their golf courses and officer's clubs. We never hear how it's maintaining the massive DOD and now another DHS budgets. We don't hear how globilization created massive unemployment in this country, and how we lost a tremendous amount of tax income at the same time, because the jobs are no longer here, and thus, no longer pay federal, state, sales, gas, property, utility, social security, and many other little nickle and dime taxes Republicans have tagged everything we pay, to make up for all the tax breaks they've given to millionaires.
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    Posted 10-16-2013 at 11:11 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    WHODATINCA's Avatar
    Thank you, Mike27 and I couldn't agree more. It's scary that Mornin' Joe and Rove are now center-right.

    Check this out -- when the Dems (who are also just corporate shills -- it's just that on some issues they are slighty less craven than the bat-**** crazy f*cks the Republican Tea party has turned into ) -- so -- when Obama and the Dems said "Hell No" to all their demands about shutting down Obamacare -- GET THIS: David Vitter, (R) Senator from Louisiana actually wanted to pass a law denying health insurance coverage to the President and Vice-President.

    Can you believe we are paying these fu*ks?!?!?! Jesus. <head banging continues>
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    Posted 10-16-2013 at 11:38 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    $24 billion is what Ted Cruz and The Tea Party have cost this country.

    This number is according to an estimate from Standard & Poor who said the shutdown, which ended with a deal late Wednesday night after 16 days, took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

    Read more: Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to Standard & Poor's | TIME.com
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    Posted 10-18-2013 at 01:30 AM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    Yep, that's more than NASA, and several other large government programs get each year. And they claim to be for cutting government costs.

    What a scam--and southerners continue voting for these clowns for ridiculous reasons, while they get elected and then screw them economically.

    Almost every southern governor, including mine, turned down the medicaid funds, for the poor, and that would aid hospitals in not getting "stiffed" for the bill for indigent care. This affected about 670,000 in Alabama alone.

    Then, insult to injury, Bentley gets a hernia operation on the government's insurance dime, in the last week.
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    Posted 10-18-2013 at 09:37 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    WHODATINCA's Avatar
    The level of disconnect from reality blows my mind.

    They say they believe in the Constitution, but are all good with shutting down the government. Last time I checked the Constitution gave the framework FOR OUR GOVERNMENT *and* MOST ASSUREDLY ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD HAVE ONE.

    As I write that I just shake my head in amazement -- especially when I remember that these same Tea Party "Constitutionalists" who say they want to stop incurring more debt -- are the same f*cks who just cost our country $24 billion dollars and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

    Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to Standard & Poor's | TIME.com

    Seriously, we need to start calling Republican precincts in red states prior to elections and ask them if they want more of the same. Because, really the repercussions are dire when you take into consideration how apathetic the voting public already is and how completely idiotic we look to our trading partners, and even our enemies, around the world.
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    Posted 10-18-2013 at 10:17 PM by WHODATINCA WHODATINCA is offline
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    SmashMouth's Avatar
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WHODATINCA View Comment
    $24 billion is what Ted Cruz and The Tea Party have cost this country.

    This number is according to an estimate from Standard & Poor who said the shutdown, which ended with a deal late Wednesday night after 16 days, took $24 billion out of the U.S. economy, and reduced projected fourth-quarter GDP growth from 3 percent to 2.4 percent.

    Read more: Government Shutdown Cost $24 Billion, According to Standard & Poor's | TIME.com
    And it'll cost more the more there is bigger government....which is counter to the framers of our country. We have already reached the point of no return. It is merely a matter of time before we go up in flames. Too many moochers getting some from too many elected, and some appointed, looters... and this is across all party lines. Pretty soon our debt payment will easily be the largest budget expenditure... and just you wait until interest rates go up. You ain't seen nothing yet!
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    Posted 10-30-2013 at 12:37 PM by SmashMouth SmashMouth is offline
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    Ok WHODATINCA, why do you hate the Tea Party so much? It's only common theme is a belief that the government has become too big and too expensive. The Liberal media has demonized the Tea Party calling it's members racists, terrorists and radicals but all the Tea Party has done is to assemble peacefully and try to steer the Republican Party away from the big spending policies of the Bush Administration. Any other allegation made about the Tea Party is Liberal Media propaganda because the Tea Party does not actually exist. It is just a group of people who believe that government spending should be curtailed because at it's current rate our own government will bankrupt our nation. There is no social agreement or any other philosophy that defines the Tea Party. There are pro-lifers, pro-choicers, supporters of gay marriage as well as opponents to it. There are Catholics, Protestants, Jews and Agnostics. I challenge you to attach any other philosophy to the Tea Party other than a belief that our government has become too big. And Mike27 you are quite the conedian. Were you serious when you claimed that MSNBC is a right wing network? I haven't heard anyone try to deny every news network other than Fox is a tool and a voice of the Democratic Party. Conservative Right Wing views are heard exclusively on Fox and on talk radio. C'mon Rachel Maddow is on MSNBC. Next you'll be telling me that she is not a liberal. I mean the only non Republican speaker on Fox, who reports the news fairly without an agenda is Mr Fair and Balanced himself Sean Hannity.........just kidding! For the record I am not a Republican. I support gay marriage. I believe every American citizen should have access to the best healthcare. I believe immigration may be our nations biggest problem. I think marijuana should be legal. Colorado is having tremendous success with the recent legalization of marijuana. And yes I consider myself a Tea Party member and I think taxes are too high and the government is too big.
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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 06:46 AM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
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    One more thing Mike27 who are these millionaires who get off so easily on taxes? Someone mentioned the importance of facts. Here's one. 90% of taxes collected are paid by 10% of the country. How much more can you expect to squeeze out of the top 10%? Democrats always complain that the Republicans give so much to the rich and eventually people start buying it. America now has one of the highest tax rates in the world. Right up there with China. Now I'm gonna end this whole argument right now. The liberal media dogged Bush relentlessly. Counting how many jobs he lost and how much money he spent. The reality is that unemployment never rose above 5% during the Bush years. Now as a fiscal conservative I hated Bush but Bushs spending was minuscule compared to Obamas Administration. Obama has spent more money than every other president combined. Supposedly this was to create jobs but the more he spends the higher unemployment gets. 9% last I checked and I've stopped paying attention to the news a whole lot because it doesn't take a political analyst to realize this is the worst economy in my lifetime. I'm 39 yrs old. And I don't know if you realize it or not but you made fun of a previous post who complained about Obama Phones saying they were a myth created by Fox News but they are very real and I know plenty of people who have Obama phones. Fill out the form and it arrives in 3 days. Create government dependency and stay in power. Why give free phones to people who are not disabled or sick? Take money from people who work to give those who won't a free phone. Really? Give em food. Ok. Give em healthcare. Good. Give em free cell phones. Heck no. Who Dat Y'all! I appreciate everyone's opinion and their right to it. I enjoy political debate and discussion. And honestly I believe the Federal Reserve is the true culprit in keeping wealth from the average American. If you don't understand read the blog on this forum about it.
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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 07:25 AM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
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    I'm completely serious. This may be a new bit of information for you, but all of news networks, television, movies, radio, and newspapers are owned by very, very rich people. What you see, from the most left on television (MSNBC) through the most rabid right in radio (radio networks are far more idiotically right than FOX, even) represents the ideological range allowed by the rich, for you to see, and be influenced by. There is no law since 1987 to require the media to air all views (Fairness Doctrine), nor is there a law to even require them to be honest.

    There are about 6 that own roughly 90 percent. Rupert Murdoch himself owns over 40 percent of the WORLD's media--remember, he owns FOX, all right-wing, all the time. Political radio talk shows are 97% right-wing, completely biased.

    Tea Party, is the same as Republican Party--Bush had trashed "republican" so badly, they had to rebrand. There is nothing new in their platform, cut taxes, mostly given to the rich, then in various ways, they levy debt on the lower classes. Unless you earn more than $370,000 a year, you received very little of the tax cut. I think even the second to top rate, that kicks it on dollars earned over around $170,000 a year probably doesn't affect you. If you don't have 5 million a year in wealth as a single man, or double that for a married person, the Inheritance Tax doesn't affect you. I suspect interest income does, which poor and middle class people pay more of.

    Rich people and corporations don't give a crap if you hate gay people, or black people, or immigrants (if you do), or love guns and want one in the hands of every literally diagnosed psychopath or criminal, or if they advocate for the freedom of choice. Corporations are legal agreements, so why would they care. All these things, of course, don't really influence you in particular--but they will figure out a way to take money from you, by driving you wages down, or charging you interest, or raising a tax you pay, to finance things once paid for by those top income groups, you probably aren't even close to being in.

    Do yourself and us a favor. If you levy for tax cuts, cite for people under $100,000, or for payroll taxes on everyone for the first $20,000 in income, or cuts to sales, or gas, or property taxes for cheaper homes. At least we all get those.

    Vague lamentations about "taxes" (non-specific) being too high?--that gets you nothing, they're talking about federal taxes on the rich, but you think it actually involves you, so you vote for it, and you end up getting financially screwed. That is all about the deception--call for cuts in taxes we all pay.

    Just a quick description of regressive--most people under $50,000 a year, pay sales taxes on everything they make--here it's ten percent. If you make 50 million a year, and buy 2 million's worth of goods, you only pay sales taxes on that 2 million, a 25th of your income. See how much more that plays in your life, in everybody's lives? And the best thing about it?--if we cut them, it gets spent, they hire more servers, mechanics, and other service sector jobs to handle the increased business, creating jobs. Give it to the rich, and they'll figure out how to invest it in a corporation, that exports its money to some foreign account, pays no taxes, and generates no demand.
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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 07:35 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    I should just point out that 90% of taxes are NOT paid by the top ten percent of the people.

    Taxes, I assume to mean all types, sales, gas, utility, property, toll roads, fees of all kinds, fines levied, cigarette, liquor, social security (alone is 15% with medicaid medicare), state, AND federal (what republicans mean when they say "taxes" is this one).

    What IS true, however, is that the top 10% do own 90 percent of the wealth and income. It is true that the top one percent have managed to cop 90 percent of the gains in the last few decades, while the rest of us have stagnated in income, and fallen further and further behind. This is mostly due to Republicans conning people into voting for them, largely due to social issues, that really don't influence them at all. I mean, no one is forcing anyone to get an abortion, guns are widely available, and you don't have to shack up with a same gender person. It's all up to you. So many are voting against themselves, for things that influence OTHERS.

    Vote to move left.

    You should watch this:

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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 07:42 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    In other times of war, the top margin was from 91-94 percent, on the rich. The top tax bracket started at 2 million a year--this was maintained until Kennedy Johnson, when they dropped it to around 74%, which most economists who are serious about cutting the debt, and bringing wealth inequity into check, want to return to.

    The rich have never been richer. IF them having money actually created jobs, they'd be dragging homeless guys in off the street, to do work.
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    Posted 07-27-2014 at 07:48 AM by mike27 mike27 is offline
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    i knew i was out of my realm when i posted here Mike, youb are way more informed than me and admittedly i did just regurgitate a lot of garbage ive heard on Fox News and i was nearly a six pack in so i was way more mouthy than i should have been but if big government spending is good why is the country struggling so much right now after record government spending? i do admit that the Tea Party has completely lost relavance because it is precisely just the Republican Party now but it wasnt supposed to be that way, i also agree that the top one percent controls nearly all of the $ but since Obama has been in office that trend has gotten even worse.
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    Posted 07-28-2014 at 11:51 AM by billyt81 billyt81 is offline
 
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