Go Back   New Orleans Saints - blackandgold.com > Main > Saints > NFL

Gregg Williams' second chance

this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; There are all sorts of ways pro football players define the letters N, F and L. Obviously there's the "National Football League." But then there's the "No Fun League" and "Not For Long." For the purpose of this column, I'd ...

Like Tree3Likes
  • 2 Post By WhoDat!656
  • 1 Post By WhoDatMartin

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-23-2012, 09:31 AM   #1
SaintsWillWin
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Shreveport,Louisiana
Posts: 10,447
Exclamation Gregg Williams' second chance

There are all sorts of ways pro football players define the letters N, F and L.

Obviously there's the "National Football League." But then there's the "No Fun League" and "Not For Long." For the purpose of this column, I'd like to focus on the third.

Typically it refers to rapid changes. One minute a guy is the best player in the league; the next, he's cut for salary-cap reasons. "Not For Long" can also describe the fleeting moments that precede lead changes, coach firings and suspensions.

So people might wonder how long disgraced defensive coordinator Gregg Williams will have to wait now that he's reportedly checking on the avenue for reinstatement. I think N.F.L. -- not for long. And nor should he have to wait, given the precedent set by transgressions we all can agree are worse than bounties.

For example, in March 2009 Donte' Stallworth got drunk, got in his car and hit a pedestrian, killing him. He was convicted of manslaughter and was suspended by the league … but not for long. He was reinstated after missing a season and signed with the Ravens. He has a lifetime suspension of his Florida driver's license but in March he signed as a free agent with the New England Patriots.

Or look at Houston's Brian Cushing, who was named the 2009 defensive rookie of the year. He was busted for having a performance-enhancement drug in his system and was suspended … but not for long. Four games is all that getting caught cheating cost him, and he kept the award.

When juxtaposed to those two examples -- as well as others such as assaulting women or killing dogs -- why in the world would anyone think Williams will never work in the NFL again? That DUI manslaughter can be forgiven but for some reason bounties are the great unforgivable sin?

The audio of Williams is disturbing but not entirely surprising. Sometimes guys in the pile at the end of plays will spit, bite, pull, kick, knee, elbow … and that's at the high school level. The nickname for 2005 defensive rookie player of the year Shawne Merriman is "Lights Out." It is a declaration of intent to injure, and efforts to suggest otherwise are just feeble attempts to justify our love for something that is fairly barbaric.

Williams didn't invent bounties.

Williams didn't issue them in empty rooms or to skeptical audiences.

There is audio because the New Orleans Saints allowed a documentary film crew in one of Williams' meetings. Team officials, according to commissioner Roger Goodell, had denied violations of bounty policies for three years. That either makes the team and Williams extraordinarily stupid, or they were so comfortable in the practice that they didn't think it was that big of a deal. Needless to say, I'm inclined to believe Williams assumed what he was saying and doing wasn't unusual.

As one of his former players reportedly said, "Gregg's not the only one who has done stuff like this, but he's the one who got caught."

Former Redskins assistant coach Greg Blache admitted he knew about Williams' bounty program while he was the Redskins' defensive line coach in 2004-07. However, while Blache claims he disliked it, one of his former players reportedly offered this account: "Greg Blache said, '‘If you get fined, it will be taken care of.'" That doesn't mean Blache liked bounties, but it doesn't seem he did anything to try to stop the practice.

As for further steps to reach that NFL conclusion, Williams doesn't need sensitivity training.

He doesn't need to meet with officials on a weekly basis.

He's already apologized publicly. Let him sit for a year, then welcome him back around the same time Saints coach Sean Payton is brought back into the fold.

San Francisco 49ers GM Trent Baalke and coach Jim Harbaugh aren't trashing the guy. Niners cornerback Carlos Rogers said "we're still close." Former players are shocked that info about the bounties wasn't kept in-house. Why? They all know Williams is just one of many oily cogs in the machine of a wildly entertaining but nevertheless ruthless sport.

He's been made an example of, message received, move on.

If there's room in the league for players who get 'roided up before they go out to try to destroy each other, if there's room for players arrested for domestic assault multiple times, if there's room for a guy who got drunk and ran somebody over, I think there's room for a defensive coordinator who reportedly put $15,000 on Brad Johnson's head. Especially since no one in that room stood up and said "Coach, this is wrong."

I'm not saying Williams' actions aren't unsavory.

But the NFL would be out of business if it issued lifetime bans for folks involved in unsavory things. Which is why suspensions typically are not for long.

Gregg Williams' NFL suspension shouldn't last long - ESPN
saintfan and OldMaid like this.

"A Veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America" for an amount of "up to and including my life."
WhoDat!656 is offline  
Latest Blogs
REFUND Last Blog: 12-07-2014 By: xan




Saints: A glimpse of the future Last Blog: 11-19-2014 By: lee909


Old 04-27-2012, 12:23 AM   #2
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: New Haven Ct
Posts: 18,903
Yeah with Coach Payton son Pee Wee team.
QBREES9 is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 06:57 AM   #3
I donate wisdom
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia
Posts: 3,956
I still think it's crazy that GW will most likely get the same punishments for his role in all of this as SP, or actually SP will have it worse with the fine and higher lost wages.

So, Goodell is basically saying that administering a program which - like they've stated numerous times - pays money to players if they are able to injure an opposing player, while also contributing money to the said program, is equally "bad" as trying to cover up the existence of such a program?!

That just doesn't seem right to me.
FinSaint is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 06:33 PM   #4
Rookie
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by FinSaint View Post
I still think it's crazy that GW will most likely get the same punishments for his role in all of this as SP, or actually SP will have it worse with the fine and higher lost wages.

So, Goodell is basically saying that administering a program which - like they've stated numerous times - pays money to players if they are able to injure an opposing player, while also contributing money to the said program, is equally "bad" as trying to cover up the existence of such a program?!

That just doesn't seem right to me.
Exactly. I don't know why Goodell was more focused on punishing the Saints' franchise instead of the actual guy who brought the program to the team.
SloMotion likes this.
WhoDatMartin is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 06:36 PM   #5
5000 POSTS! +
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Alexandria, La
Posts: 8,090
Originally Posted by WhoDatMartin View Post
Exactly. I don't know why Goodell was more focused on punishing the Saints' franchise instead of the actual guy who brought the program to the team.
Welcome, WhoDatMartin!
|Mitch| is offline  
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules

LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://blackandgold.com/nfl/43401-gregg-williams-second-chance.html
Posted By For Type Date Hits
Gregg Williams' second chance This thread Refback 04-23-2012 09:53 AM 3


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 PM.


Copyright 1997 - 2014 - BlackandGold.com
no new posts