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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; So i just read a blurb on espn.com that implied the texans may relieve themselves of david carr after this season if they dont pull out a decent season. now i know i dont post that much. nor do i ...

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Old 10-14-2005, 03:52 PM   #1
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So i just read a blurb on espn.com that implied the texans may relieve themselves of david carr after this season if they dont pull out a decent season.

now i know i dont post that much.
nor do i say many things worth repeating.

but i am postitive that David Carr > Aaron Brooks.

would houston be silly to let him go, yes. but i would take him and pay him well too.


ps the info was a headline tease for insider something i dont have access to, so if someone else reads it and im wrong well....
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Old 10-14-2005, 04:14 PM   #2
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RE: Carr

If Carr even had a half decent offensive line, he'd become one of the better quarterbacks in the league. He's definately a talent. Lately they've been drafting defensive players which puzzles me. This guy has the potential to be a franchise quarterback... give him some help.
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Old 10-14-2005, 04:41 PM   #3
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I'll help you out jbutts:

Franchise has a pair of 'options' to considerBy Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com
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Decision time is looming for teams with young, high-priced quarterbacks who have underachieved during their careers. For the Houston Texans, in fact, decision time on David Carr, the top overall player chosen in 2002 but a quarterback who seems to have regressed over the last two seasons, is only about two months away.


That's because the Texans only have until the final game of the regular season to execute a buy-back clause in Carr's contract that enables the franchise to retain him. Under the terms of the seven-year contract Carr signed as a rookie, the final three seasons of the deal were voidable. Carr has already reached sufficient performance levels to cancel those three years, and technically, his contract expires at season's end, making him eligible for unrestricted free agency.


But the Texans have the right to buy back the voidable years and have two options for doing so. The first involves paying Carr a bonus of $5.5 million to buy back two seasons, at base salaries of $5 million for 2006 and $5.25 million for 2007. The second is a bonus of $8 million, which would buy back three seasons, with base salaries of $5.25 million each in 2006 and 2007 and of $6 million in 2008.



So do the Texans, whose underachieving performance is essentially a reflection of Carr, keep him around by sinking even more money into a guy who has fashioned just a 14-33 record as a starter? Almost certainly, they will, given the time and money invested already. To this point, through five weeks of the season, the Texans have paid Carr about $17.86 million, and they owe him the balance of his $5.5 million base salary for 2005. To dump Carr now would be an admission of failure, and pragmatically, it's not as if the club has anyone better to replace him.


But in recent days, Texans officials have begun to debate the wisdom of doling out the $8 million bonus to buy back three more years on Carr's contract. Suddenly to the winless Texans, who figure to watch disappointed owner Bob McNair enact a relatively dramatic housecleaning at season's end, the two-year option is looking like the way to go. It saves a few bucks and puts Carr on notice that there are some limits to the team's patience. And if Carr produces in the two seasons, well, the Texans can either extend the contract or use the franchise designation to keep him around.


It is a decision that, while still two months down the road, is getting considerable debate these days among Texans officials. Suffice it to say that some team officials no longer view Carr through the rose-colored glasses they once did. His apologists can point out, and sometimes rather convincingly, that Carr has suffered from a lack of support. The poor quality of the offensive line has turned Carr into a human piñata, the receivers, beyond standout Andre Johnson, aren't especially accomplished and Domanick Davis, for all his productivity, is still seen as a middle-level tailback.


All decent arguments. But Carr hasn't exactly picked up the offense by the boot straps, either, and carried it along. Watch him on tape and it's obvious, after being hit so much in four seasons, that he is getting a bit gun-shy. And he's missing open receivers, not even seeing them at times, then often unloading too late. He's in a hurry to get outside the pocket, doesn't always get through his progressions, and frequently looks unsettled. It is not, on tape, a very pretty sight.


New offensive coordinator Joe Pendry, who replaced the deposed Chris Palmer after coach Dom Capers and Carr helped throw him under the bus, has been a lot tougher on his quarterback. And players told ESPN.com that Pendry has the offense watching more tape together now, as opposed to in units, so they can see the collective errors that are being made and where the breakdowns are occurring. In two games with Pendry as the coordinator, though, the results haven't been much better than they were when Palmer was calling the shots. At some point, some heat has to fall on Carr, some players agree.


The Texans are hardly the only team facing the kind of decision at quarterback that they do with Carr. Detroit (with Joey Harrington), Baltimore (Kyle Boller), the New York Jets (Chad Pennington) and New Orleans (Aaron Brooks), teams have quarterbacks who have made a lot of money, and for various reasons, failed to deliver a commensurate dividend. One has to wonder how much more shelf life those guys have. There is no such uncertainty in Houston, where the clock is ticking. The Texans have a little more than two months to decide if they want Carr for two more years, three more seasons, or perhaps not at all.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/colum...CMP=ILC-INHEAD

I also like your math:

but i am postitive that David Carr > Aaron Brooks.
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:15 PM   #4
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Re: RE: Carr

Originally Posted by papz
If Carr even had a half decent offensive line, he'd become one of the better quarterbacks in the league. He's definately a talent. Lately they've been drafting defensive players which puzzles me. This guy has the potential to be a franchise quarterback... give him some help.
Texans have some issues on the right side of the line but , they still have a top 15 front line .........
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:19 PM   #5
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RE: Re: RE: Carr

With the amount of times he gets sacked every year, I find that a little hard to believe.

Last year he was sacked 49 times... which is absurd. Through 5 games so far this year, it's already at 27. It's looking like his rookie season again when he was sacked an amazing 76 times. I'm surprised he's still alive.
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:31 PM   #6
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RE: Re: RE: Carr

Here is an offensive line ranking and run stuffed percentage from earlier this week .

1 SD 16%
2 KC 24%
3 IND 19%
4 DEN 20%
5 NYG 21%
6 ATL 22%
7 CIN 18%
8 PIT 22%
9 HOU 23%
10 BUF 24%
11 DET 23%
12 MIA 24%
13 WAS 30%
14 CAR 18%
15 SF 23%
16 NO 20%
17 SEA 28%
18 DAL 28%
19 CHI 26%
20 CLE 15%
21 GB 23%
22 TEN 30%
23 TB 32%
24 OAK 25%
25 JAC 31%
26 PHI 29%
27 STL 35%
28 MIN 25%
29 NE 34%
30 NYJ 39%
31 ARI 41%
32 BAL 33%
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Either those are wrong, or their meaning is being misunderstood, cause David Carr is BY FAR the most sacked QB in the league since he was drafted. By FAR. Their line may not committ a lot of penalties and such so that may lead to a better effieceincy I guess, but they are as porous as swiss cheese. They thought Victor Riley would be an UPGRADE AT LT for pete's sake. That line sucks.
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:43 PM   #8
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NFL - Sacked
Rank Team Sacked
1 Hou 27
2 Min 20
3 StL 20
4 SF 17
5 NYJ 16
6 Ari 15
7 Buf 14
8 NO 13
9 Jac 13
10 Atl 11
11 TB 11
12 Dal 10
13 Phi 10
14 Sea 10
15 Was 10
16 Bal 10
17 Chi 9
18 Den 8
19 Det 8
20 GB 8
21 Ten 8
22 Pit 8
23 Car 8
24 Oak 8
25 Cin 7
26 Cle 7
27 KC 7
28 NE 7
29 SD 7
30 NYG 6
31 Mia 4
32 Ind 1

http://snap.stats.com/stats/nflinfo/...=041&Submit=Go

This has been the trend since he came in the league. It's reminiscent of the beating Ramsey used to take for Washington, only turned about 100 degrees.

But Houston's offense has only been penalized 28 times, they are close to the best in the league at not getting penalized.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NF...13&_1:col_1=13

That must be skewing those stats.
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Old 10-14-2005, 05:50 PM   #9
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Dr. Z, from today, weighs in on Carr:

Andrew of Wolverhampton, U.K., would like to know if the problem in Houston is David Carr holding the ball too long, or a hopeless O-line. The latter. When his protection was OK, and he was in rhythm, he got the ball out on time. And I remember something the old Jets' QB, Ken O'Brien, once told me. He used to get sacked a lot early in his career. Everybody used to tell him to throw the ball away, get rid of it. Once I asked him straight up why he didn't do it. "Because when you're a young quarterback," he said, "you have to get accepted by your teammates. And if they feel that you're getting rid of the ball too early, they'll question your courage and then you're dead." I think Carr's courage is way beyond question now. FOR GOD'S SAKE, DAVID, GET RID OF IT! Glad you enjoy my column. Guess things are slow over there in Merrie Olde ...

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Old 10-14-2005, 05:58 PM   #10
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Myself , having no desire to watch the Texans , I will most likely take your word on the shape of the frontline .

This much I do remember from seeing Carr in 2 games , I was not impressed with either his ability to get the ball out quickly or his ability to make quick reads .

He could be another Favre in the making , just not a player on my radar .....
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