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Old 01-10-2006, 01:09 PM   #1
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NFL personnel men not sold on Young/So-so on Leinart

What a tremendous game played Wednesday night between the Texas Longhorns and USC Trojans.

As much as it was a dream game for fans, it was a dream game for NFL personnel men.

And after checking in with a few of them who carry some pretty impressive credentials, you may be surprised that a great performance by Texas quarterback Vince Young does not necessarily leave NFL teams drooling over his eventual arrival into the NFL. The same goes for USC quarterback Matt Leinart.

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ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬à ‚Â¢ "I'd still take Leinart over Young as an NFL quarterback, but Leinart is not a franchise guy in the traditional sense. He's not John Elway, Dan Marino, Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer. Now, really, there aren't a lot of those guys anyway. Alex Smith sure wasn't. When [Texas] blanketed the USC receivers, especially early in the game, you got a glimpse of what the NFL is like. The windows are a lot tighter. Leinart struggled with those. But give the USC coaches credit -- they adjusted and managed to put up, what, over 500 yards against a pretty talented Texas defense?"


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ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬à ‚Â¢ "Young is a great competitor, that's the thing you have to like about him. But be careful about his athleticism. It's a great attribute but he doesn't have Michael Vick's suddenness. He's got real good speed, but it's not world-class speed, and you see what eventually happens to the guys in this league -- they get beat up and they slow down. He is strong for a fairly lean guy. And you have to like his size. But if you do the film cut-ups on just his throws from last night's game, you're going to be fairly unimpressed."

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬à ‚Â¢ "Leinart's clearly a bright guy. He's got better feet than most people talk about. His arm strength is average. He doesn't throw as many pure spirals as you would like. But he's a big guy, he's played a lot of football in a pro-style offense and he's had a lot of success. He's not going to carry a franchise on his back, but if you put talent around him, he's going to be a good quarterback in the NFL. And let's face it, we need more good quarterbacks."

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬à ‚Â¢ "If Young's performance did anything, it made a case that he should have won the Heisman, not [Reggie] Bush. But that was splitting hairs. That's not a very good USC defense he faced -- didn't Fresno State put up 40 on them? What I like about Young is that he's gotten better every year as far as throwing the football. He does spin it a lot better than he did before. Arm strength, like Leinart, pretty marginal. He won't have the same success running the ball in the NFL, not even close. But he's a leader, he'll generate some excitement, and then he'll get ripped [by the media and fans] when he doesn't dazzle in the NFL like people think. Still, if I were him, I'd probably come out. He needs a lot of work and he might as well start getting it now."

As for Bush, he still projects as the probable No. 1 pick in April's draft by the Houston Texans.

"He still did enough Superman stunts to make you say, 'Wow,'" said one personnel man. "There aren't many players who make you go, 'Wow,' so he's got tremendous value to a team. Maybe he's not a 4.2 guy [in the 40] but he's got plenty of juice."

Now, USC running back LenDale White had all these guys pretty excited.

"That's an NFL back," said one scout. "He's 220 pounds-plus and he will be a big-timer in our league. He won't dazzle, but he's the type of guy with the right team who can win a rushing title and score a lot of touchdowns."


Speaking of QBs
Good news for any NFL team in the market for a proven quarterback coach: Larry Kennan is ready to get back in the business. Kennan has spent the past few years as the director of the NFL Coaches Association, where his leadership was greatly needed to improve benefits for assistant coaches around the league.
"When I started doing what I am doing now, I gave my word to the coaches who asked me that I would do this until I felt I wasn't needed any more," Kennan said. "In February, we began talks with [NFL Players Association executive director] Gene Upshaw to get much more involved in day-to-day operations in ways he could and I couldn't. That's been done. Gene agreed to take a lot of this over.

"So my obligation is done and I might keep doing this, but I'm a coach and a coach ought to be coaching, and if the right job came along, I might be very interested."

Kennan's previous work as an NFL assistant has some very notable and intriguing achievements.

He coached Jeff George as a rookie in Indianapolis and he coached Rick Mirer as a rookie in Seattle.

Don't laugh. George's rookie season with the Colts at the time was the second-best in NFL history behind Dan Marino's. Then came Mirer in Seattle, and Mirer's season surpassed George's.

As it stands now, Mirer and George have the third- and fourth-best rookie seasons on record behind Marino and the Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger. The difference? Mirer and George played for bad teams -- Kennan was the victim of head coach dismissals during those terms.

When Kennan was sought by his peers for his latest calling, he fed his football hunger by serving as a paid consultant for the powerful IMG football operations headed by Tom Condon. He specifically trained and prepared quarterbacks such as Eli Manning, Alex Smith, Tim Couch and Cade McNown for their pre-draft workouts.

Regardless of how they produced later, their work in pre-draft workouts under Kennan's tutelage was always impressive.

Archie Manning praised Kennan's work with Eli, saying, "Eli really liked Larry. I knew he was an excellent coach, even when he spent a year in New Orleans. He's really good."
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Old 01-10-2006, 02:04 PM   #2
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RE: NFL personnel men not sold on Young/So-so on Leinart

Nice post, whodi.
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RE: NFL personnel men not sold on Young/So-so on Leinart

He won't have the same success running the ball in the NFL, not even close
True dat.
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Well I see my concerns about Leinart are shared by NFL personnel. He's got some things to seriously work on to be a top flight NFL QB.
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RE: NFL personnel men not sold on Young/So-so on Leinart

You guys are so sold on Leinart and so not on Young that you did not even pick up on the "so-so" about Leinart. Here a quote about Leinart from the article above:
He's not going to carry a franchise on his back, but if you put talent around him, he's going to be a good quarterback in the NFL. And let's face it, we need more good quarterbacks."
I know I don't have to say anything more, because if you're calling our OLine, Stallworth (can't catch a ball), Horn (has TOidis) and Deuce (you can depend on me to get hurt) talented righ now I know one thing for sure if we draft Leinart he will get KILLED. As in Murder, Death, Kill.

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Ease back Cher. Calm down bro. This is just some personnel guy's opinions. First, there are not nearly as many ???s about Leinart as there are about Young. Second, if there are questions like this about Leinart and Young, both picked to go top three, what do you think the questions are on Cutler, Jacobs, and anyone else down the line in the draft? Third, ANYONE can be a bust. It's not as cut and dry as picking defense is better than offense, as you are pushing. We could trade down and draft a bust. What you do though, is you take the best guess of a guy who can help you. How do we know the probs this O-line had, and drops by receivers, aren't due to coaching? How is it that Denver's o-line ALWAYS churns out 100 yard backs? How is it their O-line coach goes to Atlanta, and they become the best rushing team in the league? SCHEMES. A new coach brings new blocking schemes, which could help our line, making Leinart the perfect choice for him. Who knows? Ease back on picking the man apart.
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I think Leinart might have disrespected Cher's momma
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We will see in the draft.
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Guys don't get me wrong, I don't think Leinart will be a bust, I think given time and the right surroundings he will be a good QB in the NFL, how good only time will tell. What I am trying to say is that I do not think we have 2 or 3 more years for a QB to develop before he makes an impact. I think next year we have to make the playoffs. The NFL is watching very closely now and there have been articles about San Diego not funding a new stadium, so the Chargers maybe looking at relocating anyway. I just think it is going to be far more important that we put fans in the seats (sellouts at home) and create as much interest in the Saints (playoffs would be nice) in Louisiana as possible next year and I think winning games will go alot farther to that end then drafting a QB of the Future.

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII
Guys don't get me wrong, I don't think Leinart will be a bust, I think given time and the right surroundings he will be a good QB in the NFL, how good only time will tell. What I am trying to say is that I do not think we have 2 or 3 more years for a QB to develop before he makes an impact. I think next year we have to make the playoffs. The NFL is watching very closely now and there have been articles about San Diego not funding a new stadium, so the Chargers maybe looking at relocating anyway. I just think it is going to be far more important that we put fans in the seats (sellouts at home) and create as much interest in the Saints (playoffs would be nice) in Louisiana as possible next year and I think winning games will go alot farther to that end then drafting a QB of the Future.

No, my momma doesn't like California boys, she likes her some cajun! and just because Leinart may become a Saint won't make him one of those either.


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