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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I, for one, think it was a great move by the Texans to take Mario Williams. They got a bust & we got a future superstar in Reggie Bush because of it. My personal thanks to the Texans organization....

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Old 09-13-2006, 01:20 PM   #21
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I, for one, think it was a great move by the Texans to take Mario Williams. They got a bust & we got a future superstar in Reggie Bush because of it. My personal thanks to the Texans organization.
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:47 PM   #22
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Originally Posted by gandhi1007
I, for one, think it was a great move by the Texans to take Mario Williams. They got a bust & we got a future superstar in Reggie Bush because of it. My personal thanks to the Texans organization.
The best way to say it, IMO, is, It was a great move by the Texans for the Saints.
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Old 09-13-2006, 04:05 PM   #23
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I applauded them for drafting by need, not "passing on Reggie". We all know Reggie is going to be good, but they didn't need a running back. Their defense was worse than ours last season. It was absolutely atrocious. They needed serious help on that side of the ball. Should they have traded out of the pick? Probably, but we don't know what teams made offers. For all we know, the only trade offers they received could have put them too low to get Mario, Reggie, D'Brick, and Hawk. Speaking of D'Brick, if there is any player that the Texans should be accused of "passing", it's him. Carr was sacked five times on Sunday. That means he has been sacked 73 times in the past 17 games. That o-line is without question the worst in the NFL's history. Reggie Bush can't play left tackle.

About the bust talk, hold off on that until the latter half of the season. Are any of you ready to label A.J. Hawk a bust because he only had five tackles against a run happy Bears offense? I doubt it. One game doesn't determine a career... unless your name is Brian Bosworth.

As far as the "business" part of the pick, winning is the ultimate money maker in the NFL. No other sports can say that. This is not a player driven league like the MLB and NBA. In those sports, a team's star player can be a huge draw because a single person can carry a team to the playoffs. Just look at Clemans and Lebron. A single position player can't do that in the NFL. Football is called the ultimate team sport for a reason. No one player can change the destiny of a team (unless he is a quarterback) no matter how much talent he has.

Hell, the Lions went to the playoffs for the first time in a few years the year after Barry Sanders retired. The team still brought the fans in. Why? They were winning. People that were buying Barry jerseys were suddenly buying Charlie Batch jerseys. But that money eventually disappeared. Why? Because they haven't been to the playoffs since then. And look at all of the college stars they drafted. They had three top ten wide receivers, a quarterback that was the third overall pick, and a first round running back. With all of those former stars they could barely muster a six win season. For that reason, no one goes to their games, and they don't make any money.

Al Davis' motto is "Just win, baby" for a reason. The man has made a fortune off his team by signing seemingly washed up players and winning with them. He's been using that tactic throughout his years of ownership. They win, he makes money. They lose, he doesn't make...as much money. But that is because they are an established franchise. They've won Superbowls.

Now, someone is probably going to say that Reggie's jersey is the best selling in the league. Well, what about other Saints players? How many Saints versiions of Drew Brees' jersey do you see outside of the Louisiana/Mississippi area? Deuce? Joe Horn? Will Smith? His presence isn't helping their jersey sales. How long will Reggie's jersey sell so well? If the team continues to be a losing franchise, and Bush puts up gaudy numbers every year, will he still be as popular? Or will people see him as over-hyped because his team never wins?

I love, L. O. V. E. that we got Reggie, but I refuse to jump to conclusions about Mario Williams. I have no idea what his future holds. I'm no Old Testament Prophet. So I'll just sit back and enjoy the show. If caution and reason make me clueless, then so be it.

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Old 09-13-2006, 04:23 PM   #24
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I know I say this about 20 times a year... what the hell does anyone pay attention to power rankings for??? it means nothing...
Yes, you do. Personally, I enjoy them because of the commentary and they give us something to discuss. Yes, they mean nothing.


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Old 09-13-2006, 04:24 PM   #25
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I guess there are times to be long-winded, and times to be to the point. I'll choose the latter. You don't pass on Reggie Bush. Period. And you especially don't pass on him for a player with high bust potential. How much do you think we will make revenue wise this season simply cause we got Bush? Hmm, let's see, season tickets almost sold out FOR THE SEASON. We haven't won in FOREVER, Hell, we had the longest sell out streak in the league until 2004 without winning a thing. So winning is not the end all be all to putting buts in the seats. But when your entire fan base is looking for a savior, as I am sure Houston's was, and you have Reggie freaking Bush there, you take him. Period. Fans get excited by expectation, and Reggie Bush's expectation would have brought more to Houston than Mario Willaims every day of the week, winning or not.
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I guess there are times to be long-winded, and times to be to the point. I'll choose the latter. You don't pass on Reggie Bush. Period. And you especially don't pass on him for a player with high bust potential. How much do you think we will make revenue wise this season simply cause we got Bush? Hmm, let's see, season tickets almost sold out FOR THE SEASON. We haven't won in FOREVER, Hell, we had the longest sell out streak in the league until 2004 without winning a thing. So winning is not the end all be all to putting buts in the seats. But when your entire fan base is looking for a savior, as I am sure Houston's was, and you have Reggie freaking Bush there, you take him. Period. Fans get excited by expectation, and Reggie Bush's expectation would have brought more to Houston than Mario Willaims every day of the week, winning or not.
There was no need to open your post like that. People challenged my opinion (one even directly insulted me), so I gave a well thought out counter argument.
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Old 09-13-2006, 04:42 PM   #27
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I gave a well thought out counter argument.
I agree. You represented your opinion well. Good job.




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Originally Posted by wheelman
There was no need to open your post like that. People challenged my opinion (one even directly insulted me), so I gave a well thought out counter argument.
What are you talking about? That wasn't a shot at you. Usually when someone writes out something that long, I address it point by point. I chose brevity over going that route.
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Oh, I thought you were calling me long winded. We're cool then.
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Oh, I thought you were calling me long winded. We're cool then.
Well, you were, but in that instance I was not calling you such. :P
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