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Old 03-04-2010, 05:01 PM   #1
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Complete list of Restricted Free Agents - Should the Saints bite on any?

Arizona Cardinals
WR Steve Breaston (1st)
G Deuce Lutui (2nd)
TE Ben Patrick (2nd)
C Lyle Sendlein (2nd)
DT Gabe Watson (2nd)

Atlanta Falcons
G Tyson Clabo (1st)
G Harvey Dahl (1st)
P Michael Koenen (2nd)
RB Jerious Norwood (1st)
OL Quinn Ojinnaka (5th)
RB Jason Snelling (2nd)

The decision to tender Norwood -- who was playing behind Snelling at the end of the season when he was healthy -- at a level ahead of Snelling is intriguing.

Baltimore Ravens
K Billy Cundiff (right of first refusal, no compensation)
OT Jared Gaither (1st)
P Sam Koch (2nd)
FB Le'Ron McClain (1st)
QB Troy Smith (5th)
CB Fabian Washington (1st)
WR Demetrius Williams (unknown)

Gaither's play really slipped last year, as he played at an extremely high level in his first year at the position. He was very spotty in pass protection, perhaps owing to a neck injury he suffered in midseason. Smith's tender level indicates how little interest there actually is in him around the league.

Buffalo Bills
LB Keith Ellison (6th)
QB Gibran Hamdan (not tendered)
G Richie Incognito (not tendered)
TE Joe Klopfenstein (not tendered)
TE Derek Schouman (unknown)
DB George Wilson (2nd)
DB Ashton Youboty (unknown)

Surprise that Incognito wasn't tendered after attracting a lot of attention as a free agent during the season. He continues to be a crazy person with some talent.

Carolina Panthers
LB James Anderson (3rd)
LB Thomas Davis (1st, 3rd)
TE Jeff King (2nd)
DT Louis Leonard (2nd)
K Rhys Lloyd (not tendered)
CB Richard Marshall (2nd)
QB Matt Moore (1st, 3rd)
T Rob Petitti (not tendered)
DB Quinton Teal (not tendered)
DB C.J. Wilson (7th)

Davis is coming off of a torn ACL. Pettiti is best remembered as the punchline starting tackle for the Cowboys.

Chicago Bears
DE Mark Anderson (2nd)
DB Josh Bullocks (2nd)
DB Danieal Manning (2nd)
LB Nick Roach (2nd)
LB Jamar Williams (4th)

If the Bears get a second-round pick for Mark Anderson, they should throw a parade. And not a small one, either. They'll also hope teams haven't seen Josh Bullocks' video.

Cincinnati Bengals
TE Daniel Coats (not tendered)
TE J.P. Foschi (not tendered)
LB Abdul Hodge (3rd)
LB Rashad Jeanty (right of first refusal, no compensation)
LB Brandon Johnson (2nd)
DB David Jones (5th)
OL Evan Mathis (3rd)
DE Frostee Rucker (3rd)
DT Shaun Smith (not tendered)

Cleveland Browns
LB Matt Roth (2nd)

Dallas Cowboys
WR Miles Austin (1st, 3rd)
DE Stephen Bowen (2nd)
WR Sam Hurd (2nd)
OL Cory Procter (2nd)

Denver Broncos
DE Elvis Dumervil (1st, 3rd)
OL Chris Kuper (1st)
WR Brandon Marshall (1st)
QB Kyle Orton (1st)
TE Tony Scheffler (2nd)

And if I were Brian Xanders, I would jump for joy if I got two firsts and a third-rounder for Dumervil and Marshall.

Detroit Lions
DE Copeland Bryan (not tendered)
DB Daniel Bullocks (3rd)
G Dylan Gandy (4th)
DB Kevin Hobbs (right of first refusal, no compensation)
DE Jason Hunter (2nd)
OL Daniel Loper (right of first refusal, no compensation)
G Manny Ramirez (4th)
DB Ko Simpson (4th)
LB Cody Spencer (not tendered)

Green Bay Packers
S Atari Bigby (2nd)
DB Will Blackmon (4th)
OL Daryn Colledge (unknown)
S Nick Collins (1st, 3rd)
TE Spencer Havner (exclusive rights)
DL Johnny Jolly (unknown)
P Jeremy Kapinos (not tendered)
FB John Kuhn (right of first refusal, no compensation)
OL Jason Spitz (2nd)
CB Tramon Williams (1st)
RB DeShawn Wynn (not tendered)

Still not sure what the Colledge tender was yet.

Houston Texans
DE Tim Bulman (right of first refusal, no compensation)
S John Busing (not tendered)
T Rashad Butler (3rd)
TE Owen Daniels (1st, 3rd)
RB Ryan Moats (3rd)
LB DeMeco Ryans (1st, 3rd)
S Bernard Pollard (1st)
G Chris White (right of first refusal, no compensation)

Indianapolis Colts
DB Antoine Bethea (1st)
DB Melvin Bullitt (2nd)
DB Aaron Francisco (not tendered)
CB Marlin Jackson (not tendered)
CB Tim Jennings (not tendered)

Jacksonville Jaguars
LB Clint Ingram (3rd)

Kansas City Chiefs
LB Derrick Johnson (1st)
OL Ike Ndukwe (2nd)
C Rudy Niswanger (2nd)
T Ryan O'Callaghan (2nd)

Miami Dolphins
RB Ronnie Brown (1st)
TE Anthony Fasano (2nd)
DE Quentin Moses (3rd)

Minnesota Vikings
DE Ray Edwards (1st)
DT Fred Evans (2nd)
QB Tarvaris Jackson (3rd)
FB Naufahu Tahi (right of first refusal, no compensation)

New England Patriots
K Stephen Gostkowski (2nd)
G Logan Mankins (1st, 3rd)
LB Pierre Woods (right of first refusal, no compensation)

Would imagine Woods can probably start packing his bags for Kansas City right about now.

New Orleans Saints
DT Remi Ayodele (right of first refusal, no compensation)
T Jammal Brown (1st, 3rd)
T Jermon Bushrod (2nd)
G Jahri Evans (1st, 3rd)
DE Anthony Hargrove (3rd)
S Roman Harper (1st)
LB Marvin Mitchell (7th)
WR Lance Moore (2nd)
S Chris Reis (right of first refusal, no compensation)
KR Courtney Roby (3rd)
T Zach Strief (2nd)
TE David Thomas (3rd)
RB Pierre Thomas (2nd)
S Usama Young (3rd)

Here's the one we were waiting for. It's pretty clear the team still sees Brown as the long-term starting LT; it'll be interesting to see if someone takes the bait on Bushrod.

New York Giants
OT Kevin Boothe (6th)
S C.C. Brown (I will peel myself if anyone signs him away)
DT Barry Cofield (2nd)
CB Kevin Dockery (not tendered)
WR Derek Hagan (unknown)
WR Domenik Hixon (2nd)
WR Sinorice Moss (3rd)
DE Dave Tollefson (2nd)
T Guy Whimper (4th)
LB Gerris Wilkinson (3rd)

Surprised that the team would let Dockery go; he wasn't very good last year, but injuries thrust him into a starting role when he's really a dime corner.

New York Jets
WR Braylon Edwards (1st, 3rd)
WR Brad Smith (2nd)
RB Leon Washington (2nd)

There was actually an interesting quote from Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum. "I think some of Braylon's contributions were not just stat-driven, he was a great blocker and I think some of the defenses, the way they look at us, were quite different after we acquired him."

Jets' offensive DVOA before acquiring Edwards was 25th in the league. After acquiring Edwards, if we remove the game against the Bengals' backups, they were 23rd. I don't doubt that teams needed to keep a safety back more frequently to account for Edwards, but there wasn't a major change in their offensive output.

Oakland Raiders
LB Ricky Brown (2nd)
QB Bruce Gradkowski (2nd)
LB Thomas Howard (2nd)
LB Kirk Morrison (3rd)
CB Stanford Routt (1st and 3rd)

The Morrison thing is out of whack, even for the Raiders. Something's up there. He's not a great player, since his numbers get inflated by the detritus playing in front of him, but he's definitely worthy of a third-round pick. Maybe he's asking for big money in a long-term deal?

Philadelphia Eagles
WR Jason Avant (2nd)
C Nick Cole (2nd)
LB Omar Gaither (5th)
LB Chris Gocong (3rd)
CB Ellis Hobbs (2nd)
LB Akeem Jordan (2nd)
TE Alex Smith (not tendered)

Pittsburgh Steelers
FB Carey Davis (not tendered)
CB William Gay (5th)
TE Matt Spaeth (3rd)
P Daniel Sepulveda (4th)
G Darnell Stapleton (not tendered)

Even though Gay's stock dropped a lot this year, tendering him at a fifth-round level is shockingly low. I'd be really surprised if a cornerback-needy team like the Lions didn't think he was worth a fifth-round pick. Certainly better than giving up a tangible asset for Antonio Cromartie. Stapleton not being tendered was also surprising; again, he's not great or anything, but geez, in a world where Stanford Routt is worth a first and a third...

San Diego Chargers
WR Malcom Floyd (1st, 3rd)
WR Vincent Jackson (1st, 3rd)
T Marcus McNeill (1st, 3rd)
LB Shawne Merriman (1st, 3rd)
RB Darren Sproles(1st, 3rd)

The brute force approach. Sproles was unexpectedly tendered after being told he'd be released.

San Francisco 49ers
RB Thomas Clayton (not tendered)
G David Baas (2nd)
LB Ahmad Brooks (2nd)

St. Louis Rams
DE Victor Adeyanju (4th)
DB O.J. Atogwe (unknown)
T Alex Barron (2nd)
RB Samkon Gado (not tendered)
WR Ruvell Martin (not tendered)
LS Ryan Neill (not tendered)
DT Clifton Ryan (2nd)
OL Mark Setterstrom (not tendered)
CB Jonathan Wade (not tendered)

The Rams also released former third-round pick Claude Wroten.

Seattle Seahawks
OL Brandon Frye (not tendered)
LB David Hawthorne (right of first refusal, no compensation)
LB Lance Laury (not tendered)
WR Ben Obomanu (7th)
OL Rob Sims (4th)
OL Chris Spencer (1st)
DL Darryl Tapp (2nd)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LB Barrett Ruud (1st, 3rd)
T Donald Penn (1st, 3rd)
WR Maurice Stovall (3rd)

Tennessee Titans
DT Dave Ball (2nd)
DT Tony Brown (1st)
TE Bo Scaife (1st)
LB Stephen Tulloch (1st)
DL Kevin Vickerson (2nd)
RB LenDale White (2nd)

Because Scaife was the team's Franchise Player last year, his tender figure is nearly $4.9 million.

Washington Redskins
QB Jason Campbell (1st)
RB Quinton Ganther (not tendered)
T Stephon Heyer (2nd)
LB Rocky McIntosh (2nd)
CB Carlos Rogers (1st)

Since Rogers was originally selected in the first round, the team chose to tender him with his "original round" tender (~$1.5 million) instead of tendering him with the first round compensation that other teams are granting their players taken in lower rounds, which would be for 110% of his 2009 base salary. (I think.)

Ganther going untendered was a surprise to me; he was passable behind a terrible line at the end of the 2009 season.
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Old 03-04-2010, 05:02 PM   #2
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Re: Complete list of Restricted Free Agents - Should the Saints bite on any?

This list is from the Football Outsiders by the way.
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Re: Complete list of Restricted Free Agents - Should the Saints bite on any?

Since we only give up the last pick in each respective round, might be worth considering if the player is really worth it. Raiders LB Morrision might be a good fit and only costs us the last pick in the 3rd round.
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Re: Complete list of Restricted Free Agents - Should the Saints bite on any?

Originally Posted by neugey View Post
Since we only give up the last pick in each respective round, might be worth considering if the player is really worth it. Raiders LB Morrision might be a good fit and only costs us the last pick in the 3rd round.
I believe it will be next years draft won't it?

Either way, its still probably pick 32.
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Re: Complete list of Restricted Free Agents - Should the Saints bite on any?

I would like Thomas Howard but not sure about giving up the second for him. Depending on what it would take to get Atogwe.
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Ray Edwards is worth the 32nd pick.
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Originally Posted by voodooido View Post
Ray Edwards is worth the 32nd pick.
he had an OK playoff series but his play is largely due to the rest of the defensive line the vikings have......not worth it IMO

guys i looked at.......harvey dahl G, Atlanta....very solid player.......probably their best lineman

carlos rogers...DB, Washington

either of the 2 raiders LBs would be nice

i also like a few players that got released including hank fraley C, Browns

has no health issues and is an experienced vet......doesnt miss games and doesnt miss blocks......he isnt a top 10 center obviously but he is good enough at everything to play in between evans and nicks and not make mistakes

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post

i also like a few players that got released including hank fraley C, Browns

has no health issues and is an experienced vet......doesnt miss games and doesnt miss blocks......he isnt a top 10 center obviously but he is good enough at everything to play in between evans and nicks and not make mistakes
Wishful thinking on your part. Face it. They are satisfied with Goodwin at center. Fraley is not even close to a need for the Saints.
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Originally Posted by D_it_up View Post
Wishful thinking on your part. Face it. They are satisfied with Goodwin at center. Fraley is not even close to a need for the Saints.
lol i dont care

they will sign whoever i tell them i want
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lol i dont care

they will sign whoever i tell them i want
lmao....touche'
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