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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; The NFL Players Association asked an arbitrator Tuesday to determine whether New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees has been hit with the franchise tag for a second time, according to sources. The Saints placed their exclusive rights tag on Brees ...

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The NFL Players Association asked an arbitrator Tuesday to determine whether New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees has been hit with the franchise tag for a second time, according to sources.

The Saints placed their exclusive rights tag on Brees earlier this offseason and Brees' first team, the San Diego Chargers, placed the tag on Brees in 2005 after his rookie contract expired.

The sources said the union is seeking a decision and/or clarification regarding the league's policy that stipulates a second franchise tag is a 120 percent bump from the first tag and the third time is 144 percent.

Brees' current tag is worth $16.371 million. According to ESPN.com senior NFL writer John Clayton, a 144 percent bump would put Brees' cap number at $23,574,240, though an exclusive tag could raise the number a little higher. That would put his two-year earnings at $39,945,240, a little less than $20 million a year.

NFLPA seeking clarity on Drew Brees' franchise tag status, sources say - ESPN

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Old 05-30-2012, 11:58 AM   #2
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I thought all this was going to get taken care of ASAP according to Loomis and Benson.

People are already getting antsy and I'm one of them.

If they're going to let him go, let him go and let him sign somewhere else. Why drag this out. He's obviously not going to just play for us this season under the tag.
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I would hope that any player that doesn't play under the Tag which is part of the rules everyone signed up for gets hit with a 144% penalty.
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Brees is an RFA... Restricted... They do not have to let him go, then can let him sit out.... Whats better if an agreement can not be made? Let him sit out a season, or face him in the playoffs?

In 2013 they can try to FT him again.... I am going to spitball here but his love for New Orleans may have dissipated by then if "they" keep playing games...

By games I mean the same games "they" are playing with us:
"we are close"
"a deal will be done"
"we are confident"
....yada yada yada


And this is EXACTLY why I am a fan of the Saints and not of any one player... Players come and go.
if they are not preforming or being reasonable about contracts... Bye bye
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You said it, Terminator. Reasonable. What's the best contract in the league for a QB now? Is it $19mil? And they're asking $23? That's pushing it a bit.

I know the answer already, but if he was a UFA looking for $23mil, would teams give it to him? All those looking for Manning would, but would any team pay their guy that much if they were looking to resign? Is Green Bay going to give Rodgers 25? Because if Brees gets 23, Rodgers is going to ask for 25. I guarantee it.
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You said it, Terminator. Reasonable. What's the best contract in the league for a QB now? Is it $19mil? And they're asking $23? That's pushing it a bit.

I know the answer already, but if he was a UFA looking for $23mil, would teams give it to him? All those looking for Manning would, but would any team pay their guy that much if they were looking to resign? Is Green Bay going to give Rodgers 25? Because if Brees gets 23, Rodgers is going to ask for 25. I guarantee it.
Rogers cant justify it.. he is not as good, his numbers are not as good...etc...

All I have found is that it is speculated that Brees wants 21m
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Rogers relation to Brees has EVERYTHING to do with one superbowl and one MVP title. Maybe the incredible @$$ kissing the media has given Rogers. But Brees deserves 20. Rogers will get more.

And I could swear the number was 23?
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I'm so damn tired of this. This is more of a headache than the bounty BS
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Rogers relation to Brees has EVERYTHING to do with one superbowl and one MVP title. Maybe the incredible @$$ kissing the media has given Rogers. But Brees deserves 20. Rogers will get more.

And I could swear the number was 23?
I thought the number was 23 also until i started searching...

The differences between Rogers and Brees:

Rogers -
Love from the media
less interceptions
Two concussions

Awards and achievements

  • Single season QB Rating record (122.5)[2][3]
  • Only player in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards in each of the first two seasons as a starting QB
  • Only player in NFL history to throw 45+ touchdowns, and 6 or less interceptions in a single season
  • 7x FedEx Air Player of the Week (Week 11, 2010 & Weeks 4–7, 9, 13, 2011)
  • NFC Player of the Month (October, 2009)
  • The Wisconsin Legislature approved a resolution that declared December 12, 2012 (stylized as 12/12/12) "Aaron Rodgers Day" in his honor as Rodgers also wears number 12.[78][79]


Brees -
New Passing yardage king
Most productive QB in the last three years
No Concusions

Records

Brees holds several league and team records in the NFL
National Football League records


Brees in the Who Dat Victory Parade, Canal Street, New Orleans, after the Super Bowl XLIV win


  • Single season passing leader – 5,476 yards (2011)
  • Most Passing Yards in a Single Month - 1,687 (October, 2011)
  • Most Seasons with 5000+ passing yards - 2 (2008 & 2011)
  • Most completions in a season – 468 (2011)
  • Most 400+ completion seasons, career – 4 (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011)
  • Most consecutive 400+ completion seasons, career – 2 (2007-2008; 2010-2011)
  • Most consecutive 350+ completion seasons, career – 6 (2006-2011)
  • Most consecutive seasons with 4000+ passing yards – 6 (2006-2011; tied with Peyton Manning)
  • Most consecutive seasons with 4000+ passing yards and 30+ Touchdowns – 4, 2008-current
  • Most games with 5+ touchdown passes, career – 7
  • Most games with 5+ touchdown passes and no interceptions, career – 5
  • Highest completion percentage, career, for players with 2,500+ attempts - 65.94% (3,613/5,479)
  • Highest completion percentage, season – 71.2% (2011)
  • Most seasons with 70% pass completion rate (minimum 100 attempts per season) - 2 (2009 & 2011)
  • Most games with 30+ completions and 80% pass completion rate, career - 4
  • Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 12
  • Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10
  • Most games with more than 80% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 3 (tied with Ben Roethlisberger and Brett Favre)
  • Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate, season (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 10 (2011)
  • Most games with more than 70% pass completion rate and no interceptions, career (minimum 20 attempts per game) - 33
  • Most games, 250+ yards passing, season - 16 (2011)
  • Most 300+ yard passing games in a season – 13 (2011)
  • Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games – 7 (2011-Present) (Weeks 10,12,13,14,15,16,17; 2011)
  • Most consecutive 300+ yard passing games (regular season and postseason combined)– 9 (2011-Present)
  • Most games, 350+ yards passing, career - 29
  • Most games, 350+ yards passing, season - 8 (2011)
  • Most consecutive games with 350+ yards passing – 4 (Weeks 3,4,5,6; 2011)
  • Most consecutive 400+ yard passing games - 2 (postseason games 2012) - tied with several other players
  • Most consecutive games with 450+ yards passing – 2 (postseason games 2012)
  • Most games with 400 yards passing and no interceptions, career - 6 (4 regular season, 2 postseason)
  • Most games with 20+ completions, season – 16 (2010 & 2011)
  • Most consecutive games with at least 20 completions – 36 (2009-Present) [22]
  • Most games with 30+ completions, season – 9 (2011)
  • Most games with 30+ completions, career – 29
  • Most games with 30+ completions and no interceptions, career – 14
  • Most games with 39+ completions, career – 3 (1 regular season, 2 playoff games)
  • Most passing completions per game, career – 23.4 comp/game
  • Most passing attempts per game, career – 35.5 att/game
  • Most passing yards per game, career – 263.7 yards/game
  • Most passing completions per game, season – 29.25 comp/game (2011)
  • Most passing yards per game, season – 342.25 yards/game (2011)
  • Highest post-season completion percentage, career – 66.8%
  • Lowest post-season interception percentage, career – 0.70%
  • Most completions in a Super Bowl – 32 (Super Bowl XLIV; tied with Tom Brady)
  • Most completions in a playoff game – 40 (at San Francisco, 1/14/2012)
  • Most pass attempts in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 60 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[23]
  • Most pass completions in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 39 (at Seattle, 1/8/2011)[23]
  • Most passing yards in a playoff game with zero interceptions – 466 (vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012)
  • Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception during the playoffs – 226 (January 21, 2007-January 14, 2012)
  • Most Consecutive Playoff Games, 2+ Touchdown Passes - 7 (2006-Present) (tied with Terry Bradshaw and Joe Montana)
  • Most Playoff Games, 400+ yards passing - 3 (2011-2012)(Consecutive)
  • Best Passing Touchdown to Interception ratio in postseason - 5.5-1 (22 TD Passes - 4 interceptions)
  • Best Completions to Interception ratio in postseason - 65.5-1 (262 Completions - 4 interceptions)
  • Best Passing Yards to Interception ratio in postseason - 745-1 (2,980 Passing Yards - 4 interceptions)
  • Best Passing Touchdown per Game Average, Postseason - 2.444 (22 TD Passes/9 postseason games)
New Orleans Saints franchise records

  • Consecutive games with at least 1 TD pass – 43 (2009–present) 2nd NFL all-time
  • Highest Comp. %, Career (Min. 500 attempts) – 65.94%
  • Highest Comp. %, Season (Min. 14 attempts/game) – 71.23% (2011) [24]
  • Highest YPA, Career (Min. 500 attempts) – 7.56 [24]
  • Highest YPA, Season (Min. 14 attempts/game) – 8.5 (2009) [24]
  • Highest Passer Rating, Career (Min. 500 attempts) – 93.8 [24]
  • Highest Passer Rating, Season (Min. 14 attempts/game) – 110.6 (2011) [24]
  • Most Completions, Career - 2,488 (2006-2011)
  • Most Completions, Season – 468 (2011) [24]
  • Most Completions, Game – 39 vs. Denver, 9/21/2008 [25]
  • Most Completions, Playoff Game - 40 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012
  • Most Consecutive Completions – 19 (12/27/09) [26]
  • Most Pass Attempts, Career - 3,670 (2006-2011)
  • Most Pass Attempts, Season – 658 (2010) [24]
  • Most Pass Attempts, Playoff Game - 63 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012
  • Most Pass Attempts, Game – 60 (tied with Aaron Brooks) [26]
  • Most passing yards, Career - 28,394 (2006-2011)
  • Most passing yards in a single season – 5,476 yards (2011)
  • Most Passing Yards, Playoff Game - 466 vs. Detroit, 1/7/2012
  • Most Passing Yards, Game – 510 vs. Cincinnati, 11/19/2006 [26] (seventh highest in NFL history)
  • Most 4000 Yard Passing Seasons – 6 [24]
  • Most Consecutive 4000 Yard Passing Seasons – 6 (2006–11) [24]
  • Most Games w/300+ Yards Passing, Career - 50 (2006-2011)
  • Most Games w/300+ Yards Passing, Season – 13 (2011) [27]
  • Most Consecutive Games w/300+ Yards Passing – 7 (2011) [27]
  • Most Touchdown Passes, Career – 201 (2006-2011)
  • Most Touchdown Passes, Season – 46 (2011) [24]
  • Most Touchdown Passes, Playoff Game – 4 at San Francisco, 1/14/2012 (tied with Aaron Brooks)
  • Most Touchdown Passes, Game – 6 (9/13/2009) (tied with Billy Kilmer)
  • Most Touchdown Passes On Opening Day, 6 (2009)
San Diego Chargers franchise records

  • Highest Comp. %, Season (Min. 14 attempts/game) – 65.5% (2004) [28]
  • Highest Comp. %, Game (Min. 20 attempts) – 88.0% vs. Oakland 10/31/2004 [28]
  • Highest Comp. %, Playoff Game (Min. 10 attempts) – 73.8% vs. NY Jets 1/8/2005 [28]
  • Most Consecutive Attempts, None Intercepted – 194 (Oct. 17 through Dec. 5 2004) [29]
Other notable accomplishments

  • Second place with most consecutive games with at least one touchdown pass: (43)[30]
  • Second place with most consecutive uninterrupted games with at least one touchdown pass: (32)
  • First quarterback in NFL History to surpass 3,000 passing yards by Week 9. (3,004 yards in 2011)[31]
  • First quarterback in NFL History to surpass 4,000 passing yards in the first 12 games. (4,031 yards in 2011)[32]
  • First quarterback in NFL History to surpass 5,000 passing yards in the first 15 games. (5,087 yards in 2011)
  • First player in NFL history to pass for 5,000 yards in a season twice (2008 & 2011)
  • First player in NFL history to complete 70% of passes in a season twice (2009 & 2011)
  • First player in NFL history to pass for 400 completions in a season more than once (2007, 2008, 2010, 2011)
  • Led NFL in passing yards three times (2006, 2008, 2011)
  • Led NFL in touchdown passes three times (2008, 2009, 2011)
  • Led NFL in completions three times (2007, 2008, 2011)
  • Led NFL in completion percentage three times (2009, 2010, 2011)
  • Led NFL in passer rating in 2009 (109.6)[33]




I am going to go ahead and stand by my original statement. Rodgers can not honestly justify being paid more than Brees. Remember another thing, the packers are a publicly held Franchise.. not sure how much that weighs in on how much they can throw at one player.
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lot of damn records.....
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